Hate gun roster, hmm how about tire roster?

[magoshands]

You guys are F-ing disappointing. This is like arguing with little kids, if you don't want to love in a "nanny state" then don't act like 5 year olds. y'all are on mute so go ahead and proceed with the trash takes and ad hominem. Buh bye losers

Go back to reddit where you belong. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[MK6M9]

You guys are F-ing disappointing. This is like arguing with little kids, if you don't want to love in a "nanny state" then don't act like 5 year olds. y'all are on mute so go ahead and proceed with the trash takes and ad hominem. Buh bye losers

you must be in high school. i now understand why you sidestep the points that would shut down your whole argument/ stance. it is okay. It is obvious you were here for the trolling only. i have no clue how you do not receive a warning/infraction for this when i receive warnings just for typing ' uh huh sure. ' strange

 

[MK6M9]

You don't understand how our state government works here. Gas taxes no longer feed the highway fund. They go straight into the general fund to be spent on non- highway programs.

That was changed years ago. If gas taxes went only to the highway fund we would have the best roads in the USA with all that money.

Instead we spend highway funds on illegal alien Medicare and our huge homeless industrial complex.

a slush fund is the term

 

[mrbieler]

Buh bye losers

 

[irongunner]

I don't care about who voted or politically appointed this law, regulation, code, etc. I don't care for unnecessary ad hominem insults or generalizations from either sides but here we are. From my perspective, it is another example of humanity's arrogance in believing we are superior to nature/physics.

Before I continue, I can somewhat understand the perspective where RustVendor is coming from, or at least arguing on behalf of, although I think it is wrong and misguided. I do appreciate the contrarian, 10th man doctrine, and devils advocates. I think most would agree that having a minimum standard for tires enforced by a government entity is better and safer for the general public. RustVendor made an irrefutable point along the lines of, "it's worth it if the individual and the public at large benefit from holding manufacturer's to a higher standard." I can see it being worthwhile even if the individual savings are $180 spread across 4 years. With ALL things being equal by what ever date, a higher standard of quality at a lower cost is a good thing.

Unfortunately, this phrase "the road to hell is paved in good intentions" is suited perfectly for this. Correct me if I am wrong, but at least historically, harder compound tires have different advantages and disadvantages than sticky compound. It's basically a spectrum with harder "LRR" compounds good for MPG and with softer "sticky" compounds good for performance. Barring a novel super compound, this will likely result in hard tires across public us and will have unforeseen consequences. It is also an irrefutable point to state performance tire also has the potential to save more lives and avoid accidents compared to the harder compound. Remember performance is also about stopping or cornering quickly aka safety not just going fast. Will the increase of car accidents outweigh the savings from this tire program?

That is just the low hanging fruit and one facet of the problem. We haven't even spoken to the lack of public transit, the failure/corruption of high speed rail, or the horrific road conditions for these tires to survive. It seems awfully similar to Australia or Florida adding a foreign animal species into its native habitat while expecting only one specific result. You're a mad if you think that (did I get that right?).

 

[Gawernator]

You guys are F-ing disappointing. This is like arguing with little kids, if you don't want to love in a "nanny state" then don't act like 5 year olds. y'all are on mute so go ahead and proceed with the trash takes and ad hominem. Buh bye losers

Bro just learn to agree to disagree, no use getting so worked up. You can be friends with people that don't have the same politics

 

[dirty_monkey]

i'll have you know, i'm a Grown ass man child!

 

[MK6M9]

I don't care about who voted or politically appointed this law, regulation, code, etc. I don't care for unnecessary ad hominem insults or generalizations from either sides but here we are. From my perspective, it is another example of humanity's arrogance in believing we are superior to nature/physics.

Before I continue, I can somewhat understand the perspective where RustVendor is coming from, or at least arguing on behalf of, although I think it is wrong and misguided. I do appreciate the contrarian, 10th man doctrine, and devils advocates. I think most would agree that having a minimum standard for tires enforced by a government entity is better and safer for the general public. RustVendor made an irrefutable point along the lines of, "it's worth it if the individual and the public at large benefit from holding manufacturer's to a higher standard." I can see it being worthwhile even if the individual savings are $180 spread across 4 years. With ALL things being equal by what ever date, a higher standard of quality at a lower cost is a good thing.

Unfortunately, this phrase "the road to hell is paved in good intentions" is suited perfectly for this. Correct me if I am wrong, but at least historically, harder compound tires have different advantages and disadvantages than sticky compound. It's basically a spectrum with harder "LRR" compounds good for MPG and with softer "sticky" compounds good for performance. Barring a novel super compound, this will likely result in hard tires across public us and will have unforeseen consequences. It is also an irrefutable point to state performance tire also has the potential to save more lives and avoid accidents compared to the harder compound. Remember performance is also about stopping or cornering quickly aka safety not just going fast. Will the increase of car accidents outweigh the savings from this tire program?

That is just the low hanging fruit and one facet of the problem. We haven't even spoken to the lack of public transit, the failure/corruption of high speed rail, or the horrific road conditions for these tires to survive. It seems awfully similar to Australia or Florida adding a foreign animal species into its native habitat while expecting only one specific result. You're a mad if you think that (did I get that right?).

okay, so in other words, the answer to raise the already excessively high bar again? how much 'safe' will be safe enough? especially when safe(which there is no such limit of what is) is used as a tool? can anything get safe? how many people even realize that the air we breathe is not safe. at what point does this max out? lets us look at the physics of safe from that point of view. the government( on any level) was supposed to be management, not dictatorship, which is what california is by literal definition

 

[irongunner]

I'm not educated on whether tires are at or requiring an excessively high standard. I don't think "safety" is the argument as much it is technological progression and perception to a standard. We have already leaped lightyears past the 1950s white walls and dramatically jumped from the 2000s tires. Casting my own prejudice, I don't think Nancy Singer knows "Richard" about cars and tires.

Can tire technology be advanced? Yes, I hope for Bugatti and Koenigsegg's sake. Our current performance restriction are mostly trying to maintain tire contact/pressure. I can't see tire technology stop advancing for the next 80 years. This advancement will naturally attribute to safety. Forcing an adoption while being voluntarily blind to the consequences is the problem.

I guess in gun terms, it is like California forcing hunters to shoot with only 22LR because it is safer. Sure, overall it might be safer. But we're leaving out a lot of other factors. As a car enthusiast, all I really know is that my Focus ST needs wider tires for back road runs.

Stay in between the lines and get home safe

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Bro just learn to agree to disagree, no use getting so worked up. You can be friends with people that don't have the same politics

He can’t, saying people are acting like kids than a sentence later calling them “Losers.”

This kind of person is incapable of having an adult conversation and you can’t take anything they say seriously or at face value.

They just want everyone to agree with them and not question anything they say. And when you do, well…you get the picture “I’m taking my ball and going home.”

RustVendor…

 

[Hit Factor]

You guys are F-ing disappointing. This is like arguing with little kids, if you don't want to love in a "nanny state" then don't act like 5 year olds. y'all are on mute so go ahead and proceed with the trash takes and ad hominem. Buh bye losers

 

[MK6M9]

I'm not educated on whether tires are at or requiring an excessively high standard. I don't think "safety" is the argument as much it is technological progression and perception to a standard. We have already leaped lightyears past the 1950s white walls and dramatically jumped from the 2000s tires. Casting my own prejudice, I don't think Nancy Singer knows "Richard" about cars and tires.

Can tire technology be advanced? Yes, I hope for Bugatti and Koenigsegg's sake. Our current performance restriction are mostly keeping tire contact/pressure. I can't see tire technology stop advancing for the next 80 years. This advancement will naturally attribute to safety. Forcing an adoption while being voluntarily blind to the consequences is the problem.

I guess in gun terms, it is like California forcing hunters to shoot with only 22LR because it is safer. Sure, overall it might be safer. But we're leaving out a lot of other factors. As a car enthusiast, all I really know is that my Focus ST needs thicker tires for back road runs.

Stay in between the lines and get home safe

oh. I apologize. safety was mentioned numerous times as a point in your previous post

 

[Darqhelmet]

If we where about safety we would have inspections. The amount of bald tires I see in every parking lot every day is mind blowing. Like most things out of the government here they are completely focused on the wrong thing.

This is just to the thread in general. The world has turned into stupid silly little camps and no one leaves them anymore. My wife points out how politically homeless I am both living and voting here and in TX.

After being in those two states you get to see how both parties are out to F- you.

 

[Hit Factor]

The world has turned into stupid silly little camps and no one leaves them anymore.

Not true. The Walk Away campaign is gaining A LOT of traction. https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/

 

[irongunner]

oh. I apologize. safety was mentioned numerous times as a point in your previous post

Tire performance and safety are closely related. Same thing that makes you go fast is what makes you slow down. From my experience and limited knowledge, California is prioritizing auto energy efficiency over safety(performance). I don't think the juice is worth the squeeze and I expect it will ultimately have negative repercussions.

I crashed my first car in economy tires. I slid extremely far into the curb during the wet season. It wasn't even the first rain or bad conditions but the tires were hard. I'd expect more accidents with prioritizing energy efficiency over quality. I have never lost control with performance tires on public roads. Guaranteeing traction for your vehicle is better than a negligible efficiency boost.

Then again, I am of the mindset that most people should be on public transit so I can enjoy a more open road. Smiles per gallons is a better way to live anyway

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Not true. The Walk Away campaign is gaining A LOT of traction. https://www.walkawaycampaign.com/

More than half of America is too fat to walk away.

 

[sshkeptic]

California needs more funding for the High speed rail.

Don't you mean the "Boring Company"? Let's give all our tax dollars to an immigrant billionaire trust fund baby from South Africa!

 

[socalgunowner909]

California SUCKS!!!!! and its getting worse by the day. Cant wait to see what the libs want to regulate next.

Like AB2624.... such BS.

Constant infringements on our rights.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Don't you mean the "Boring Company"? Let's give all our tax dollars to an immigrant billionaire trust fund baby from South Africa!

While we’re at let’s just tell South Korea they’re on their own and pull out since Kim is the President’s favorite dictator

 

[grandpapeepap]

You don't understand how our state government works here. Gas taxes no longer feed the highway fund. They go straight into the general fund to be spent on non- highway programs.

That was changed years ago. If gas taxes went only to the highway fund we would have the best roads in the USA with all that money.

Instead we spend highway funds on illegal alien Medicare and our huge homeless industrial complex.

AI says it goes to the roads, yall can throw around buzzwords all you want.