Planning to get my first pistol this weekend (LGS sale this weekend) but I am really struggling in a 3-way decision. Money is tight, prices below are advertised sale prices (limited quantities they say) and they may be out of stock before I get to the head of the line anyway... Purpose is range toy plus home defense. CCW is not anticipated anytime soon. Cheap ammo desirable since I want to actually shoot the thing. I have big hands (XL /11 gloves) and lean towards a full-size gun in general, but then I am also cheap.
Option 1. Bersa Firestorm 380 w/2 mags. $260. Cheap to buy but 380 ammo seems to start at $0.60/rd. Recommended by a friend that has one. Like the James Bond overtones.
Option 2. Glock 17 gen 3 w/2 mags. $500. Same friend hates glocks because of the angle. Didn't bother me but only fired 20 ish rounds. Like the reliability and simplicity.
Option 3. SW M&P 2.0 4.25" barrel w/3 mags: $590. Same friend loves it, I haven't fired this one. Seems like it would be nicer than the glock and not a ton more $$.
I had pretty much decided to keep it cheap and get the Bersa, but the ammo is about double 9mm ammo costs so it might be a false savings, or maybe 380 will be cheaper again later. My math says that the break even is at about 900 rounds, if I shoot that many, the Glock is cheaper and the SW might be nicer for about the same. I have no idea how long it will take me to hit 900 rounds, when I have gone out with friends I usually slip them a few $$ and buy dinner and beer after so I never really counted shots (plus they own a bunch so it was many varieties of ammo).
What do y'all think, is the cheap 380 really not gonna be cheap enough in the long run because of the ammo and should I go up a size to the Glock or up a size and add a but of luxury with the M&P? I have till Sat morning to decide...
Option 1. Bersa Firestorm 380 w/2 mags. $260. Cheap to buy but 380 ammo seems to start at $0.60/rd. Recommended by a friend that has one. Like the James Bond overtones.
Option 2. Glock 17 gen 3 w/2 mags. $500. Same friend hates glocks because of the angle. Didn't bother me but only fired 20 ish rounds. Like the reliability and simplicity.
Option 3. SW M&P 2.0 4.25" barrel w/3 mags: $590. Same friend loves it, I haven't fired this one. Seems like it would be nicer than the glock and not a ton more $$.
First, 380 is marginal for defense. I only use it in very small pocket guns. 9x19mm is the minimum and ammo is much cheaper. Second, Bersa is not a good manufacturer. I'm sure everyone with a Bersa is going to jump in and say "But mine works great!" Yeah, yeah, sure.
You said it yourself: you have large hands. This means the Glock 17 and M&P full size are more in line with your hand. Also consider that you are LEARNING to shoot a handgun. It's best to learn on a full sized gun with a longer barrel such as the 17 or M&P. You could consider the Glock 20 or 21 along with the Beretta 92FS or M9 and variants. However, you only mentioned two so I will stick with those.
"Getting a feel for the gun" in the gun store is USELESS. You don't even know how shoot! How can you evaluate a handgun? Of course you cannot. You're just guessing.
I have both guns. The S&W ain't no "Lexus". It's more of a Honda with nicer interior (back when they had better interiors).
Of the two, the M&P has a very aggressive grip texture. It does feature a thumb safety and has a slightly better trigger out of the box. It has ambidextrous controls and you can change the backstrap. The thumb safety can be a detriment if you forget to swipe it off. This happens in class and we can often see the student anticipating the recoil when this happens (the muzzle dips). You'll need to learn to shoot with your thumb ON the safety at all times. This prevents your hand riding up and accidentally activating it while shooting.
The Glock doesn't have all that. It doesn't really need it either. "Features" are nice options. You can get a grip sleeve for the Glock if your hands are so huge that you need it. Glock has tons of after market support for parts and holsters that far outdoes any support for the M&P.
Consider this great Glock 17 propaganda:
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This, of course, doesn't mean the M&P is not a great pistol. It is and it will serve you well. Both will be fine for learning. You can carry either; this notion that a carry gun must be tiny is for those who want a magical anti-criminal talisman rather than a gun for fighting. It's the entire point.
Next, I saw that people recommended the Beretta 92FS or M9. Sure, they're great guns and they're not the actual garbage military M9. However, keep in mind that at least only the Brigadier has a dovetailed front sight. This means you can replace it with a night sight. The other models have it milled into the slide so it cannot be removed. Also, they are double action/single action guns. You'll need to train hard with this to master shooting it. Mastering DA/SA shooting is a whole chapter in a book on shooting.
Either the Glock 17 or M&P will be fine. Of the two, I'd pick the Glock 17 over the M&P. My reasoning is 1) so easy to work on you can do it all yourself, 2) durability, 3) long term accuracy over the life of the barrel, 4) good shooting performance and 5) market support. It's very tough to beat all that.
Commit to acquiring 12 magazines (they're expendable items; the good news is Glock mags are some of the toughest around). You'll need at least 6 for training. I generally separate mags into two groups: defense and training. The defense mags are babied and loaded. The training mags are used and abused. Mark them. Buy one a month if you have to due to budgetary concerns. Get to at least 6 for training.
If you go with the Glock, get a few extra recoil spring assemblies, at least one of every spring, two full mag rebuild kits, some slide parts, and a few trigger springs. A guy in security class had a Glock 22 and the trigger spring broke during the warm up course of fire. It's a trivial fix. I avoid this by installing a NY-1 trigger spring and a Ghost 3.5# connector (increases trigger pull weight to 6.25#, but gives a smooth pull with very positive reset for faster shooting). The NY-1 trigger spring doesn't break like the OEM trigger spring. The cause is completely avoidable: change the spring every 5,000 rounds. This is part of the gun's maintenance schedule.
ATTEND TRAINING. Go to any Level 1 and 2 pistol course. Some are two days; some are consecutive single day classes. Doesn't matter; go two days in a row to get exposed to 16-20 hours of continuous training. You will learn more in those two 8-10 hour blocks than you will in 16-20 individual 1 hour sessions. The reason is you get tired, you're living with the gun, and you're being challenged to perform under all sorts of circumstances that do NOT involved standing in a booth shooting at a piece of paper. You're going to learn how your shoulders get tired, how you start flubbing shots in a long string and how to mitigate all that. You'll walk away with skills like how to safely draw your gun quickly from a belt holster, acquire the target and fire while extending the gun to the target, reloading quickly and efficiently, mitigating malfunctions, and so on.
The issue is just we are both 57, so strength will grow as an issue over the next decade. And she probably will be a better shooter than me because her eyesight is better and generally she is better at all hand-eye coordination type tasks (her dad was a professional athlete, my dad was a teacher so she got better genes for anything physical).
Don't be dwamatic. It's just a 9mm handgun.
I'll leave you with this: there is much to learn in handgunnery. Most people never bother; they shoot 50 through the gun, clean it, load it up and stick it in a drawer. Don't be like this because they're clueless. They're taking no action to hone life saving skills; one should not be learning to fight while in the middle of a gun fight. Commit to it as you would a martial art. If you do so, you're going to meet many excellent people along the way. You're going to have a ton of fun and you will be far more capable of defending yourself than the average normie sleepwalking down the street. Your last words should not be "But he came out of nowhere!" No, your death should be in a pile of brass surrounded by maimed criminals flopping around screaming for their mommies.