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help me pick my second gun: Springfield Echelon 4c Comp vs HK VP9 A1-K

I have the Echelon 4.5in NOT ported (unsure what you meant by comp’d).

I don’t have any experience with the Hellcat. I am willing to bet the Hellcat is snappier than the Echelon since it is smaller and designed for CCW purpose.

Every small polymer pistol is snappy. OP is asking for a CCW pistol that would second his P320, which already serves the purpose of full-size duty, flat shooting pistol.

A good CCW usually means smaller and lighter, so you can carry all day every day, which usually means more snappy as a compromise.

I don’t think the discussion is really Echelon VS Hellcat.

They’re two different pistols for two different purposes:

- Full-size duty pistol: Echelon, P320, G17, etc.
- CCW: Hellcat, P365, G43, etc.
Comp'd meaning the Compensated version, where the barrel is ported to reduce muzzle flip.

I was speaking of the Hellcat Pro Comp vs the regular Hellcat Pro. If you had the Comp version that might explain how you might recommend it enthusiastically I suppose.

Thank you for enlightening me on the difference between a Full size/Duty vs a Micro. Even though I own just about every micro-9, I had no idea they were all equally snappy.

Even thought I never mentioned the Echelon, the OP has already purchased a Stacatto c4x so the point of the discussion is moot at this juncture.
 
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HK feels more premium, but the Echelon gives you more for your money, IMO.
 
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