Question I’m going AZ I have a AZ CCW can I buy a Glock Gen 6 there and bring it to CA?

[Skilly]

Then as a CA resident you'd be breaking Penal Code § 27585 https://law.justia.com/codes/califo...division-6/chapter-4/article-1/section-27585/

So I guess you're right you might be able to get a FFL to sell to you however you've committed either a misdemeanor or felony depending on how they decide to charge you.

Handguns or Centerfire Semiautomatic Rifles: A violation involving a handgun or centerfire semiautomatic rifle is a wobbler, meaning it can be charged as either a misdemeanor or a felony.

• As a misdemeanor: Punishable by up to 1 year in county jail and/or a fine up to $1,000.
• As a felony: Punishable by imprisonment under Penal Code § 1170(h) (county jail/state custody) for up to 3 years.
  
  See: https://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/asm/ab_1601-1650/ab_1609_bill_20140206_introduced.html

If you have a home in CA and a CA driver's license they will consider you a resident - see: "Isn’t there a federal exemption that allows a California resident with a second home in AZ, e.g., to purchase a gun in AZ with a CA license and some proof showing ownership of the AZ second home?"

EDIT: Also see this comment I just found from a lawyer: "
Before I give my unnecessarily explanation, please understand that under the law residency is where you intend to permanently live, now where you intend to visit and then go elsewhere. Federal law recognizes that people may have multiple places where they intend to live permanently. California law, not so much.


Normally under Penal Code section 27585 a firearm imported into the state must go through a dealer resulting in a dealer transaction. An exception to this is for “a personal firearms importer” who does the things in Penal Code section 27560. Penal Code 27590 says a violation of Penal Code 27585 involving a handgun is a misdemeanor or a felony punishable by up to three years in county jail.


So who’s a personal firearms importer?


Penal Code section 17000 says:




So Vehicle Code section 12505 says how residency is determined:




So if California decides that you really didn’t become a resident of another state because you really intended to return back to California, using any number of factors such as the ones above, then you’re not a personal firearms importer and you’ve imported a firearm into California without using a dealer and have committed a misdemeanor or a felony."

Sorry - not following. This penal code is citing importing. Meaning I intend to bring the gun back to CA. I clearly stated that isn't the case.

 

[Gawernator]

However if you were a resident of the other state and didn't import it to CA then you'd be ok but that wasn't the original question pertaining to CA residents

 

[Skilly]

However if you were a resident of the other state and didn't import it to CA then you'd be ok but that wasn't the original question pertaining to CA residents

ha, read my comment again....

 

[Gawernator]

Sorry - not following. This penal code is citing importing. Meaning I intend to bring the gun back to CA. I clearly stated that isn't the case.

Then that's fine but the question was asked about CA residents buying out of state. If you aren't bringing it here then yeah CA law is irrelevant lol, this is a thread for CA gun owners

 

[Skilly]

Then that's fine but the question was asked about CA residents buying out of state. If you aren't bringing it here then yeah CA law is irrelevant lol, this is a thread for CA gun owners

Hang on a min - I just demonstrated that you absolutely can purchase a gun in your second home state. Don't gaslight because you missed the context!

 

[chiroken007]

What’s your favorite color, what are you wearing, boxers or briefs?

Coke or Pepsi.

 

[Warpspeed]

Hang on a min - I just demonstrated that you absolutely can purchase a gun in your second home state. Don't gaslight because you missed the context!

He is referencing back to the OP - try to keep up

 

[Gawernator]

Hang on a min - I just demonstrated that you absolutely can purchase a gun in your second home state. Don't gaslight because you missed the context!

I understand what you're saying but then what's the point, of course if you live in another state you can buy a gun in that state and keep it there. But we live in CA so that won't work lol because we would want to bring the guns back to our residence and enjoy them

 

[luanh1987]

You should know by now that you can’t according to the threads. To make it simple, 2 states have 2 different set of laws. Once you cross the border then you must follow that state’s law.
I wish this is the case then the off roster market on here would be f**k hard.

 

[Skilly]

He is referencing back to the OP - try to keep up

Maybe read the post I responded to? Actually, read post #56, then #58 the one I responded to....try to keep up.

 

[Skilly]

I understand what you're saying but then what's the point, of course if you live in another state you can buy a gun in that state and keep it there. But we live in CA so that won't work lol because we would want to bring the guns back to our residence and enjoy them

Well, with the scenario I referenced, you could even bring the AZ gun into CA in a temp capacity.

All state laws would apply so no full autos and standard cap mags etc. You just couldnt bring it here with the intent of keeping it here. Its a pretty close runner up to the OPs original question.

 

[Warpspeed]

Well, with the scenario I referenced, you could even bring the AZ gun into CA in a temp capacity.

All state laws would apply so no full autos and standard cap mags etc. You just couldnt bring it here with the intent of keeping it here. Its a pretty close runner up to the OPs original question.

IANAL, but I don't think so.

As a CA resident, importing a firearm purchased in another state is prohibited. See post #60

 

[Skilly]

IANAL, but I don't think so.

As a CA resident, importing a firearm purchased in another state is prohibited. See post #60

Its NOT being imported; I noted it can't be brought in with the intention of keeping it in here permanently.

 

[Gawernator]

Well, with the scenario I referenced, you could even bring the AZ gun into CA in a temp capacity.

All state laws would apply so no full autos and standard cap mags etc. You just couldnt bring it here with the intent of keeping it here. Its a pretty close runner up to the OPs original question.

That seems like risking possible felony, even if the chance of anything happening is low

 

[chiroken007]

Its NOT being imported; I noted it can't be brought in with the intention of keeping it in here permanently.

Ok. What happens if you get pulled over by CHP for driving 9mph over the speed limit. You think the officer will side with your reasoning? The answer is certainly not.

 

[ButteFlyFisher]

Ok. What happens if you get pulled over by CHP for driving 9mph over the speed limit. You think the officer will side with your reasoning? The answer is certainly not.

How would he know the gun is from AZ?

 

[chiroken007]

How would he know the gun is from AZ?

Because it isn’t registered and off roster?

 

[MarkH]

I understand what you're saying but then what's the point, of course if you live in another state you can buy a gun in that state and keep it there. But we live in CA so that won't work lol because we would want to bring the guns back to our residence and enjoy them

Alternatively, maybe I’d like to buy a Gen 6 Glock for a reasonable price in New Mexico and just keep it in my second home there.

 

[Gawernator]

How would he know the gun is from AZ?

When he runs the serial and it comes up unregistered, RIP you're probably going in cuffs

Unless you had a non-resident CCW, and it was listed, I think you would be fine

 

[NorCalBusa]

This isn't correct.

If you can show residency (ie a deed and a power bill, water bill, garbage etc) that is the burden of proof for getting an AZ state ID; same for NV (I have a second home there). And you can purchase a firearm with that proof and legally keep it at your AZ residency. Having a second residence in another state is a thing.

That is not grounds for you to take that gun and register it later at your domicile in CA though; thats not a thing.

This closer to what I was asking- thanks. Let me add one layer;
1. Living in NV or AZ as primary residence (Fed taxes there, spend >50% time there)
2. Also w/second home in CA (<50% time there and <50% of time overall in CA)
3. I obtain a resident CCW in NV or AZ
4. I convert my existing CA CCW to "non-resident CCW" (I then have two CCW permits)

Then;
I'm good to go for whatever guns AZ/NV allow
In CA, only good for whatever guns the IA allows on my CA Non-resident CCW permit

Pass the sniff test?