Kimber 2K11 California Updates?

[Gawernator]

No, it's that the CA price is ~$200 higher than the non-CA models sold in other states. Actually worse for some models.
$2309 out of state version: https://www.riflegear.com/p-24408-kimber-2k11-target-9mm-5-17rd-pistol-coyote-pvdblack-dlc.aspx
$2775 CA version: https://www.riflegear.com/p-27556-kimber-ca-2k11-target-9mm-5-10rd-pistol-coyote-pvdblack-dlc.aspx

Thank you Democrats

 

[joefrank64k]

Put me down for a Target 5”, haha!!

 

[decius_mus]

I don't understand the DS warrior, it's an aluminum frame 5"?

What is there not to understand? It's a $1000 double stack 9mm 1911 that's made in America. The price is the point.

 

[RustVendor]

What is there not to understand? It's a $1000 double stack 9mm 1911 that's made in America. The price is the point.

I don't just buy the cheapest thing I buy the thing with characteristics that I want, and an aluminum frame is objectively worse in performance than a heavier steel frame both in durability and in recoil. If it's not a carry gun, which a 5" gun is not, there's no reason to make an aluminum frame 5" gun. I will never buy it because it's aluminum, if it were steel I would buy several. It literally weighs 28 oz which is what my M&P weighs, meanwhile the 2k11 is over 40oz. It wouldn't cost them more to make it steel frame, they dropped the ball hard on that.

 

[decius_mus]

I don't just buy the cheapest thing I buy the thing with characteristics that I want, and an aluminum frame is objectively worse in performance than a heavier steel frame both in durability and in recoil. If it's not a carry gun, which a 5" gun is not, there's no reason to make an aluminum frame 5" gun. I will never buy it because it's aluminum, if it were steel I would buy several. It literally weighs 28 oz which is what my M&P weighs, meanwhile the 2k11 is over 40oz. It wouldn't cost them more to make it steel frame, they dropped the ball hard on that.

Sure but this is clearly a product that was designed to hit the $1000 street price for marketing purposes, and to be different enough to not cannibalize 2K11 sales.

In terms of comparing this to an M&P... that gun is still a striker fired gun with a duty trigger. The DS warrior is not competing against duty pistols. It's just a cheap 9mm double stack 1911 that's made in America. If that doesn't appeal to you because it doesn't have the characteristics that you value then that's totally fine. But you said you didn't understand the gun and I explained why it exists.

 

[RustVendor]

Sure but this is clearly a product that was designed to hit the $1000 street price for marketing purposes, and to be different enough to not cannibalize 2K11 sales.

In terms of comparing this to an M&P... that gun is still a striker fired gun with a duty trigger. The DS warrior is not competing against duty pistols. It's just a cheap 9mm double stack 1911 that's made in America. If that doesn't appeal to you because it doesn't have the characteristics that you value then that's totally fine. But you said you didn't understand the gun and I explained why it exists.

a 28oz 5" gun that isn't a duty pistol is a waste. when I say I don't understand it I'm not asking a question I'm saying it's a weird choice for them to make a 28 oz double stack that isn't a compact. I would never buy that. There are 5 other companies making double stack 1911s at that price point around 1100$ with a steel frame. It's just disappointing and I don't understand why people want it, and especially why they made it. Kimber makes some weird choices all around, like of the four new California models there's 3 different grips, 3 polymer from 2 different companies and one of their newer aluminum grips that everyone hates. The only 5" non comped model is the most expensive and has the worst grip of the three. They totally neglected the base model 5" that's 500 dollars less and is just plain black. So if you want an actual full size double stack you have to buy the most expensive one but that should be the entry level one. Then the 4.25 model they are advertising as the "carry" model has a steel frame and weighs 35oz. Meanwhile they made a 5" Warrior with an aluminum frame that weighs 28 oz that isn't a carry model but they don't make a 4.25 warrior that would be a better carry model. These guns are nice and I'm glad they are coming to the roster but all of these choices are just weird and out of touch.

 

[No_glonks]

a 28oz 5" gun that isn't a duty pistol is a waste. when I say I don't understand it I'm not asking a question I'm saying it's a weird choice for them to make a 28 oz double stack that isn't a compact. I would never buy that. There are 5 other companies making double stack 1911s at that price point around 1100$ with a steel frame. It's just disappointing and I don't understand why people want it, and especially why they made it. Kimber makes some weird choices all around, like of the four new California models there's 3 different grips, 3 polymer from 2 different companies and one of their newer aluminum grips that everyone hates. The only 5" non comped model is the most expensive and has the worst grip of the three. They totally neglected the base model 5" that's 500 dollars less and is just plain black. So if you want an actual full size double stack you have to buy the most expensive one but that should be the entry level one. Then the 4.25 model they are advertising as the "carry" model has a steel frame and weighs 35oz. Meanwhile they made a 5" Warrior with an aluminum frame that weighs 28 oz that isn't a carry model but they don't make a 4.25 warrior that would be a better carry model. These guns are nice and I'm glad they are coming to the roster but all of these choices are just weird and out of touch.

I have 5” platypus, which is aluminum. Do I wish it was steel frame - hell yea, but even as it is I really like it. Fun gun to play at the range.

 

[Gawernator]

a 28oz 5" gun that isn't a duty pistol is a waste. when I say I don't understand it I'm not asking a question I'm saying it's a weird choice for them to make a 28 oz double stack that isn't a compact. I would never buy that. There are 5 other companies making double stack 1911s at that price point around 1100$ with a steel frame. It's just disappointing and I don't understand why people want it, and especially why they made it. Kimber makes some weird choices all around, like of the four new California models there's 3 different grips, 3 polymer from 2 different companies and one of their newer aluminum grips that everyone hates. The only 5" non comped model is the most expensive and has the worst grip of the three. They totally neglected the base model 5" that's 500 dollars less and is just plain black. So if you want an actual full size double stack you have to buy the most expensive one but that should be the entry level one. Then the 4.25 model they are advertising as the "carry" model has a steel frame and weighs 35oz. Meanwhile they made a 5" Warrior with an aluminum frame that weighs 28 oz that isn't a carry model but they don't make a 4.25 warrior that would be a better carry model. These guns are nice and I'm glad they are coming to the roster but all of these choices are just weird and out of touch.

One of the most used and famous service / duty pistols ever, the Beretta M9 has an aluminum frame. Check and mate borther

 

[RustVendor]

I have 5” platypus, which is aluminum. Do I wish it was steel frame - hell yea, but even as it is I really like it. Fun gun to play at the range.

If a company only makes aluminum frames that kinda makes sense, but there will always be an asterix on the platypus and it will never be as good as it could be. I like the grip on the platypus but it just doesn't shoot as nice as a steel frame, and I know someone personally who cracked their platypus frame. I don't even know what's going to happen since it's off roster they may be SOL on warranty if they need to replace the frame

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I don't just buy the cheapest thing I buy the thing with characteristics that I want, and an aluminum frame is objectively worse in performance than a heavier steel frame both in durability and in recoil. If it's not a carry gun, which a 5" gun is not, there's no reason to make an aluminum frame 5" gun. I will never buy it because it's aluminum, if it were steel I would buy several. It literally weighs 28 oz which is what my M&P weighs, meanwhile the 2k11 is over 40oz. It wouldn't cost them more to make it steel frame, they dropped the ball hard on that.

It’s 9mm, Aluminum is more than sufficient and the lighter carry weight is a Plus.

LOL, these young guys kill me, a 5” 1911 or any 5” gun is something us old timers carried on a regular basis. A 1911 5” is easy to carry because of how thin the gun is overall being a single stack way back when.

Before Kydex became the craze, we used thick leather belts, sometimes fortified for to make them sturdier and quality leather holster, usually with a thumbreak.

But what do I know, just a waiting for the Meteor I guess

 

[No_glonks]

If a company only makes aluminum frames that kinda makes sense, but there will always be an asterix on the platypus and it will never be as good as it could be. I like the grip on the platypus but it just doesn't shoot as nice as a steel frame, and I know someone personally who cracked their platypus frame. I don't even know what's going to happen since it's off roster they may be SOL on warranty if they need to replace the frame

I’ll worry about warranty if it ever comes to it, I heard stealth arms customer service is pretty awesome. Since you can order custom serial number, I won’t be shocked if they replace cracked frame with new one and same serial.
For what it worth I sold HD P4 after I shot platypus and p4 side by side

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I’ll worry about warranty if it ever comes to it, I heard stealth arms customer service is pretty awesome. Since you can order custom serial number, I won’t be shocked if they replace cracked frame with new one and same serial.
For what it worth I sold HD P4 after I shot platypus and p4 side by side

Haven’t shot either, most subjectively say the Staccato is better, maybe to justify extra dough spent or really better?

What had you go for the platyy?

 

[No_glonks]

It’s 9mm, Aluminum is more than sufficient and the lighter carry weight is a Plus.

LOL, these young guys kill me, a 5” 1911 or any 5” gun is something us old timers carried on a regular basis. A 1911 5” is easy to carry because of how thin the gun is overall being a single stack way back when.

Before Kydex became the craze, we used thick leather belts, sometimes fortified for to make them sturdier and quality leather holster, usually with a thumbreak.

But what do I know, just a waiting for the Meteor I guess

You reminded me of old timer PI I was taking ccw renewal class with. One of his guns was Walther, can remember what model, but it was some limited production for army forces in South America, 2nd gun WW1 1911.

 

[No_glonks]

Haven’t shot either, most subjectively say the Staccato is better, maybe to justify extra dough spent or really better?

What had you go for the platyy?

Felt better in the hands and I shot it better. Guy who convinced me to try platypus sold his staccato P after getting one

 

[No_glonks]

Saying that I still very interested in 2K11 or HD P4.5, if it ever makes to the roster.

 

[RustVendor]

I’ll worry about warranty if it ever comes to it, I heard stealth arms customer service is pretty awesome. Since you can order custom serial number, I won’t be shocked if they replace cracked frame with new one and same serial.
For what it worth I sold HD P4 after I shot platypus and p4 side by side

the platypus and the HD weigh the same, so does a Staccato P, all around 32-33 oz. the staccatos aren't 5" guns they are duty oriented whereas the platypus is a "range gun" and 5" and the weight forward helps the muzzle rise quite a bit. That's not to say they aren't nice, I have no problem with them and I wasn't even talking about the platypus in this thread. But try one against a real double stack 1911 in the 40-50oz range and you will feel the difference. The platypus is the platypus, the DS warrior is 5oz less than the platypus so I don't get what they are going for besides not wanting to overlap with the 2k11. Will people buy it? sure. But it won't be as good as it should/could be. 28oz range gun? wtf?

 

[SilverEndless]

I’m very excited to see these coming. I’ve enjoyed seeing the Kimber comeback as a whole. I’m just wondering if these are series 70 or 80.

 

[RustVendor]

I’m very excited to see these coming. I’ve enjoyed seeing the Kimber comeback as a whole. I’m just wondering if these are series 70 or 80.

that's actually a good question, they definitely could be series 80 as Kimber already has a system for that on other guns. That said people really overemphasize the effect on the trigger from series 80, the triggers are still fantastic even with a firing pin safety.

 

[SilverEndless]

that's actually a good question, they definitely could be series 80 as Kimber already has a system for that on other guns. That said people really overemphasize the effect on the trigger from series 80, the triggers are still fantastic even with a firing pin safety.

I tend to agree but I have a preference for series 70. My preference is developed from limited and spoiled exposure tho. I love love love my Atlas pistols (series 70) and love the trigger on my Kimber Ultra Carry (series 80). I tried one of the CA Staccatos (Series 80) and hate hate hated it.

If these have a trigger like my Ultra Carry, I think they’ll dethrone the Staccatos as the on-roster 2011 preference. If they’re offered for competitive prices and don’t pull a C4X in price, it’s a done deal.

Def looking at picking one up as a practice gun

 

[RustVendor]

I tend to agree but I have a preference for series 70. My preference is developed from limited and spoiled exposure tho. I love love love my Atlas pistols (series 70) and love the trigger on my Kimber Ultra Carry (series 80). I tried one of the CA Staccatos (Series 80) and hate hate hated it.

If these have a trigger like my Ultra Carry, I think they’ll dethrone the Staccatos as the on-roster 2011 preference. If they’re offered for competitive prices and don’t pull a C4X in price, it’s a done deal.

Def looking at picking one up as a practice gun

The 1911 trigger is extremely adjustable, I've felt a ca model staccato that was under 3lbs and it was fantastic. Most times it's just a matter of bending the sear spring but at worst you can tune the sear