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One in the chamber or no?
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In context, if I have to draw my gun, I have to be ready to fire.
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Racking a round takes about one second, both F&G along with the DOD protocol (Army) said never to have a round in the chamber unless one is is in a active engagement.
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Idk about back then but current doctrine is to keep a round chambered, firearm on safe, bolt forward in any hostile fire zone. Walking around base or in safer areas yeah chamber empty. Lol sometimes they don't even have a magazine
On a serious note, these stupid political policies like no ammo or magazine in the gun is what let the Beirut barracks bombing happen. Security forces have ammo anywhere I was stationed or deployed.
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And CCW is for civilians. Military protocol doesn't apply
Are you trying to pick up a fight or something? I think my original post was very clear. It is (at least for me) is all about balance of everyday inconvenience vs. possible reward.
I read statistics, weighted my options and level of training I am willing to support and decided that I will carry a gun. And will not carry spare magazine. It is my decision for me. I am not advocating it for you. Your situation can be different. All I am saying is that people should perform similar analysis for themselves. And only then decide what is right for them.
That includes possible Israeli carry. Even thought is sounds like it requires more training. But I did really looked at that very closely.
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Honestly for anyone using the argument of "i'm not training for a active shooter/terror attack" or "i don't have time/money to train" or "im not a gun nut", just carry a Ruger LCR in 9mm.
No recoil, easy ammo availability, won't F- up your hands/wrist if you got carpal tunnel, super light weight and you can throw it in a pocket holster for easy carry day to day. And it's on the roster.
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Ok. I do have Kahr PM9 on the license..... but I carry a larger gun because I find it much easier to shoot and not much more difficult to carry. And while your most of your post not applicable to me personally I do not disagree with the statement. I just don't see logical connection with the subject under discussion.
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My bad, i think i fat fingered which post i was responding too.
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Just my 2 cents and based on my past experience I probably still owe you a penny. I did 4 years in the Infantry and that did zero to give me any experience carrying in public and concealed. I got my CCW in 2012 and was already 43. The entire process took about 10 months, once I got it, I did not carry one in the chamber. I did not have any experience at all to know what I was doing. I was still a firefighter at that time and I had 4 police officers that lived on the same street close by. One of them I talk to on a regular basis had me come over and bring my holsters and the firearms I carry. After a long talk he had me order 3 new holsters and his words were, "If you are going to carry, then carry, and carry with one in the chamber." He basically mirrored the other responses here about not having on in the chamber. I did sign up for training a year after that talk at a place in Tustin I think, that was pretty good. Now, that I am retired I go to the range at least once every two weeks and practice drawing and firing. I feel very comfortable carring with one in the chamber and it's pretty much second nature now.
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My bad! I actually meant to post something else about training and forgot to delete my initial response.
No problem.....
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I remember 90’s in Kuwait an Army Abram’s pulled up along side are FOB to shoot the
, etc. offered me, then PFC and a buddy, PFC a tour of the inside of the tank.We accepted and had to unload, show clear are M16s because you can’t fit them inside with the space etc and us.
Army Tank Officer was pissed, two USMC PFC had full load outs of ammo and locked and loaded and the Army wouldn’t issue the tankers, including the Officer any rounds for their handguns because they didn’t trust them. Never in a million years would a Marine Officer say that
in front of the troops.Soooo….. Maybe it was an Army Training/ Trust issue that they treated you like kids back in the day.
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This. It’s a completely different world. And the military is ultimately ran by politicians not just what’s the most effective
Exactly. Same point I always make about people who say "if 5.56 is good for military it must be good for me and you". It may be good for me and you, but not because it is good for military.
This response really should have been with the inside voice.
I served from 1989 - 2009, 1911s were issued with 6 rounds per magazine, carried with an empty chamber and magazine inserted, once we transitioned to the Beretta I carried with a full magazine, round chambered and pistol decocked. Since retiring, I’ve completed CCW training in four states, took classes at Front Sight, completed hunter safety training (it wasn’t required in NC until 1991) and don’t remember any instructors who recommended carrying with an empty chamber.
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These threads NEVER EVER go anywhere. The Chambered crowd never convinces the Un-Chambered crowd, nor does the Un-Chambered crowd ever convince the Chambered crowd.
Carrying with one in the chamber CLEARLY is faster and less issues when you have to draw, no question as it has been well documented everywhere.
But like most everything in life (thankfully) we get to decide what works best for each of us. I CLEARLY understand carrying without one in the chamber puts me a disadvantage in certain situations. Not all situations, but certainly in close quarter situations. Yet I still have made the conscience decision that is what works for me. I have ~20+ firearms in my safe. None have the mags/ammo in them yet all have loaded mags near them. I have 3 in quick access safes around the house. All are loaded but none are chambered.
While I may not be 100% prepared for all scenarios (nobody is), I feel prepared enough for most scenarios.
YMMV . . .
Carrying with one in the chamber CLEARLY is faster and less issues when you have to draw, no question as it has been well documented everywhere.
But like most everything in life (thankfully) we get to decide what works best for each of us. I CLEARLY understand carrying without one in the chamber puts me a disadvantage in certain situations. Not all situations, but certainly in close quarter situations. Yet I still have made the conscience decision that is what works for me. I have ~20+ firearms in my safe. None have the mags/ammo in them yet all have loaded mags near them. I have 3 in quick access safes around the house. All are loaded but none are chambered.
While I may not be 100% prepared for all scenarios (nobody is), I feel prepared enough for most scenarios.
YMMV . . .