SIG P320s ridiculous resale prices after the latest ND fatality

[H. Bowman]

Actually yes, it's bothersome to see some people out of touch with reality and also trying to sell a piece of for unrealistic prices. Like I said, I didn't want to thread cap on people's personal ads, but I can certainly start my own thread so said sellers can come to reality. You must be a loyal triggered sigger? pun intended lol

So you're sensitive enough to be hurt by a "bothersome" sales ad which may lead to a transaction between two consenting adults and that has nothing to do with you? Interesting. Soft.

 

[DesertDepotArms]

While I am a SIG dealer if there was some actual factual evidence of a problem with the P320 it 100% needs to be brought forth for the whole world to see but until then youtubers and the like just spin things in their favor for views/ clicks

While this latest incident is tragic we do not have all of the evidence yet but some find it very easy to draw conclusions.

 

[bootcamp]

So you're sensitive enough to be hurt by a "bothersome" sales ad which may lead to a transaction between two consenting adults and that has nothing to do with you? Interesting. Soft.

Oh another offended sigger i see. Glad i put this thread up. You can call me whatever you want I don’t give a . A military service member died because of a holstered, on the table POS p320 and you’re here protecting the overpriced value of an unsafe pistol. And I’m soft hahaha.

 

[sjb323]

While I am a SIG dealer if there was some actual factual evidence of a problem with the P320 it 100% needs to be brought forth for the whole world to see but until then youtubers and the like just spin things in their favor for views/ clicks

Just as Sig dealers try to spin things in their favor for money?

 

[DesertDepotArms]

Just as Sig dealers try to spin things in their favor for money?

And how is that?
Please enlighten me?

 

[tomrkba]

I'm investing! I'll take 20 of these, get them fixed, and make a stack of cash!

 

[treelogger]

As soon as I find a good deal on a 320 that's suitable as a range toy, I might buy it. When I say "good" deal, I mean it has to be considerably cheaper than a Glock 34.

Unmodified Ruger single actions without the transfer bar safety and series 70 colts bring a premium so who knows

The gun culture has long had a dislike for any form of safety mechanism. There is something about adrenaline, testosterone, and risk taking.

 

[packy14]

Any idiot can ask any price… doesn’t mean they have a buyer. No one buying a p320

 

[rfgCA]

I can't thread cap on people's ads but I gotta bring it up for discussion. I see resale prices anywhere from$600 up to $1100.... I think y'all are bag holding these firearms if you think you're gonna get those prices especially after a military service member was killed after placing a holstered P320 firearm on a table.

Sig 320 guys, yall got nothing left to stand on in regards to defending this POS gun. IMO, resale price should be LESS than a used Glock 19g3, hell even less than a Hi-point cause both those guns are way more safer than a P320

That is quite a reaction to a few simple classified ads.

Crying about prices in a marketplace is like complaining about the weather. It has no value, or effect at all. Were you expecting to effect change?

There is value in observing price behaviors. When you observe them rather than respond with emotion, you can learn something. And usually one of the important lessons is what every market professional knows very well. There is a reason why prices behave the way they do. And if you don't understand why they are behaving the way they are, then that means there is something you are completely clueless about.

 

[governmentsucks1776]

Not a lawyer not legal advice
California law imposes specific duties and liabilities on firearm sellers, including private sellers, particularly concerning the safety and functionality of firearms. Sellers are required to ensure that firearms meet safety standards and are accompanied by approved safety devices. Liability may arise if a firearm is sold negligently or without adherence to these standards, especially if the firearm malfunctions and causes injury. Additionally, California law recognizes a high standard of care for firearms due to their inherently dangerous nature.

 

[Exley]

I thought I read somewhere that the issue was fixed after a certain run of production (2019?). Could be mistaken though...

 

[treelogger]

California law imposes specific duties and liabilities on firearm sellers, including private sellers, particularly concerning the safety and functionality of firearms. Sellers are required to ensure that firearms meet safety standards ...

Really for private sellers? Can you quote any law (civil code or penal code probably) that says so? Any precedent-setting court cases?

 

[governmentsucks1776]

Cal Pen Code § 32005 requires firearm manufacturers and sellers to certify under penalty of perjury that all firearms they manufacture, import, or sell in California are not unsafe handguns as defined by Sections 31900 to 32110
Cal Pen Code § 32005.
Cal Civ Code § 1714 establishes a general duty of care, stating that everyone is responsible for injuries caused by their lack of ordinary care. It explicitly includes the design, distribution, and marketing of firearms and ammunition under this duty, holding sellers accountable for negligence in these areas
Cal Civ Code § 1714.
Cal Pen Code § 23635 mandates that any firearm sold or transferred in California must include a firearm safety device listed on the Department of Justice’s roster of approved devices. It also requires specific warnings and labels to accompany the firearm, ensuring compliance with safety standards
Cal Pen Code § 23635.
Cal Pen Code § 23650 directs the Attorney General to develop and implement minimum safety standards for firearm safety devices and gun safes to reduce firearm-related injuries. These standards aim to ensure that safety devices are effective in preventing unauthorized use and accidental discharges
Cal Pen Code § 23650.
Cal Pen Code § 23680 outlines procedures for addressing non-conforming firearm safety devices. It allows the department to order recalls or replacements of defective devices and requires manufacturers to notify the department of any recalls issued by government entities
Cal Pen Code § 23680.
11 CCR 4257 provides detailed steps for safe handling demonstrations of firearms, emphasizing the importance of proper safety device usage and handling procedures to prevent accidents
11 CCR 4257.
11 CCR 4095 specifies testing procedures for firearm safety devices, requiring rigorous testing to ensure that devices cannot be easily defeated and that firearms remain secure during use. This regulation underscores the importance of safety in firearm design and functionality
11 CCR 4095.
15 CCR 3268.3 addresses the reporting and investigation of firearm discharges by field staff, including procedures for determining whether a discharge was negligent. It highlights the importance of accountability and proper handling to prevent unintended injuries
15 CCR 3268.3.
In Jacoves v. United Merchandising Corp., 9 Cal. App. 4th 88, the court held that firearm use or possession is subject to the highest standard of due care, and even slight deviations from this standard may constitute negligence. The case also discussed the potential liability of firearm sellers for negligent entrustment if they sell firearms to individuals they know or should know pose a danger to themselves or others
Jacoves v. United Merchandising Corp., 9 Cal. App. 4th 88.
In Chavez v. Glock, Inc., 207 Cal. App. 4th 1283, the court addressed liability for defective firearms, holding that manufacturers and sellers could be liable for design defects that cause injury. The case also discussed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), which limits liability for harm caused by the criminal misuse of firearms but does not shield sellers from claims related to defective products
Chavez v. Glock, Inc., 207 Cal. App. 4th 1283.
In Suter v. City of Lafayette, 57 Cal. App. 4th 1109, the court upheld local regulations requiring additional licensing for firearm dealers, emphasizing the higher potential for liability associated with firearm sales compared to other products. The case also highlighted the importance of ensuring adequate compensation for injuries caused by firearms
Suter v. City of Lafayette, 57 Cal. App. 4th 1109.

 

[governmentsucks1776]

A firearm sold privately or otherwise that malfunctions and causes injury can expose the seller to liability under certain circumstances. Liability generally arises if the seller is found to have acted negligently, such as failing to exercise reasonable care in the sale or transfer of the firearm, or if the firearm was defective and the defect caused the injury.

In "
Brown v. Wal-Mart Stores, 976 F. Supp. 729," the court emphasized that liability for injuries caused by firearms is not determined by whether the injury was accidental or intentional but rather by whether the seller was negligent. A seller may be liable if their negligence in the sale or handling of the firearm was the proximate cause of the injury. This principle extends to private sellers as well, as negligence is based on the failure to exercise reasonable care under the circumstances
Brown v. Wal-Mart Stores, 976 F. Supp. 729.

Similarly, in " Jacoves v. United Merchandising Corp., 9 Cal. App. 4th 88," the court noted that sellers of firearms are held to a high standard of care due to the inherent dangers of firearms. If a seller knows or has reason to know that the purchaser is likely to use the firearm in a dangerous or negligent manner, the seller may be liable for resulting injuries. This includes situations where the seller negligently entrusts a firearm to someone who is incompetent or poses a foreseeable risk to others
Jacoves v. United Merchandising Corp., 9 Cal. App. 4th 88.

Additionally, in " Delana v. CED Sales, Inc., 486 S.W.3d 316," the Missouri Supreme Court recognized that a seller could be liable for selling a firearm to a person who is likely to use it in a manner posing an unreasonable risk of harm. This liability is grounded in the principle of negligent entrustment, where the seller has actual or constructive knowledge of the purchaser's inability to safely use the firearm
Delana v. CED Sales, Inc., 486 S.W.3d 316.

However, federal and state laws, such as the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA), provide certain immunities to firearm sellers. These laws generally shield sellers from liability for harm caused by the criminal or unlawful misuse of firearms, provided the firearm was not defective and the sale complied with applicable laws. Exceptions exist, such as when the seller knowingly violates a law applicable to the sale or marketing of firearms, and this violation is a proximate cause of the harm
15 USCS § 7901, § 194.03 Liability May Be Based on Violations of Penal Law Provisions.

In conclusion, while private sellers can be exposed to liability for injuries caused by firearms they sell, the determination of liability depends on factors such as negligence, the condition of the firearm, and compliance with applicable laws.

 

[cali_jazz]

Actually yes, it's bothersome to see some people out of touch with reality and also trying to sell a piece of for unrealistic prices. Like I said, I didn't want to thread cap on people's personal ads, but I can certainly start my own thread so said sellers can come to reality. You must be a loyal triggered sigger? pun intended lol

I highly suggest you not create a separate thread in lieu of thread crapping a classified ad. Nothing is compelling you to engage with ads you consider unrealistic, it's up to a buyer and seller to determine what is fair. The goal here is to build community where everyone feels welcome, please keep that top of mind.

 

[rfgCA]

Not a lawyer not legal advice
California law imposes specific duties and liabilities on firearm sellers, including private sellers, particularly concerning the safety and functionality of firearms. Sellers are required to ensure that firearms meet safety standards and are accompanied by approved safety devices. Liability may arise if a firearm is sold negligently or without adherence to these standards, especially if the firearm malfunctions and causes injury. Additionally, California law recognizes a high standard of care for firearms due to their inherently dangerous nature.

What does this have to do with people selling P320's that differentiates them from anyone else selling ANY firearm?

 

[governmentsucks1776]

What does this have to do with people selling P320's that differentiates them from anyone else selling ANY firearm?

A plaintiffs lawyer can argue that sellers are aware of the defect therefore that could open the possibility of liability. Im not aware of any other defective gun on the market. This is a TORT in the making

 

[rfgCA]

A plaintiffs lawyer can argue that sellers are aware of the defect therefore that could open the possibility of liability. Im not aware of any other defective gun on the market. This is a TORT in the making

Well you were right. You are definitely not a lawyer

 

[SLORNR]

I can't thread cap on people's ads but I gotta bring it up for discussion. I see resale prices anywhere from$600 up to $1100.... I think y'all are bag holding these firearms if you think you're gonna get those prices especially after a military service member was killed after placing a holstered P320 firearm on a table.

Sig 320 guys, yall got nothing left to stand on in regards to defending this POS gun. IMO, resale price should be LESS than a used Glock 19g3, hell even less than a Hi-point cause both those guns are way more safer than a P320

Who ever is even contemplating buying a 320 needs to have their head examined. SIG Sauer stopped being a top tier gun manufacturing company as soon as they opened up shop state side.

 

[doser]

I can't thread cap on people's ads but I gotta bring it up for discussion. I see resale prices anywhere from$600 up to $1100.... I think y'all are bag holding these firearms if you think you're gonna get those prices especially after a military service member was killed after placing a holstered P320 firearm on a table.

Sig 320 guys, yall got nothing left to stand on in regards to defending this POS gun. IMO, resale price should be LESS than a used Glock 19g3, hell even less than a Hi-point cause both those guns are way more safer than a P320

Thank you for not thread crapping and following the rules. You can see it invites discussion instead of antagonizing someone.

If buyers want to buy that’s up to them. You’re not involved in the sale and it’s no different to us here than someone with a Gucci glock. People will say it’s worth less and less reliable, others find value.

We are all adults with control of our wallets. Don’t like it ignore and move on. Leave an $ emoji and go about your day.

Personally I’d love to tell someone their Infinity isnt as reliable as a Glock and ND’s all the time so I can buy it less than retail.