SIG P320s ridiculous resale prices after the latest ND fatality

[rfgCA]

I'm surprised there are no class action lawsuits yet? Is that something that can be done?

What class? P320 owners, nor anyone, cannot sue because they simply saw on the news that a gun "might" go off by itself.

 

[USMC06RET]

Like I said before I would like some factual evidence (if there is any) of what is wrong with the P320 to come out. I am not defending SIG in any manner however there has yet to be any factual proven evidence of what is causing this to happen. Until that happens again it is all hearsay and tons of spinning and emotional based youtube and internet drama.

I guess I am not sure what your definition of "factual evidence" is. There is more than enough empirical evidence to justify declaring this model of weapon to be unsafe even when used and maintained properly.

The FBI's Ballistics Research Facility (BRF) findings, just one of which was: 'BRF's testing indicated that the striker safety lock could be disabled through movement and friction, creating a scenario where a discharge could occur if the sear engagement is lost', the numerous law enforcement agencies which have deemed the weapon unsafe and the jury findings, there is more than enough empirical evidence and impeach and convict the weapon.

 

[hueyduey]

P320 was my 1st. This was before I learned about all the ND issues. It's now upgraded to X5 legion spec and is still one of my favorite shooters. I would be shocked for anyone on this forum shopping for a P320 to say they haven't heard about this news. For me it'll just be a range gun, and it's really good for that purpose.

As for the sellers, they're just playing the game, most things in the classifieds are marked up. I called someone out for $800 firearm + $500 mods asking $1800, and he couldn't justify the markup other than why he needs the money.

It's a sellers market here, but for some reason when I post something that's 20-50% lower than MSRP, I get lowballed even harder.

 

[USMC06RET]

Crazy take but Im going to have to agree with "USMCRET06". I could see a lawsuit arising from this situation.

Nice try but, it's going take more than you agreeing with me to actually kill me.......

 

[sjb323]

Glock, as well as Smith and Wesson went through the same thing.
Glock had to make a special version for the NYPD because they were having so many ND's.
Look at LASD when they switched to the M&P they had a huge spike in ND's and did a investigation
To this date there are hundreds if not thousands of ND's every year with striker fired guns all across the county.

What is different with the P320. It was the #1 selling gun in the US...
what does that do? Brings more fanboyism on both sides.

If the "trust the science" shows us there is a mechanical failure in the P320 then we ALL need to know.

A simple google of "Gun goes off in holster" brings you tons of stuff and guess what not all P320's...

NYPD and LAPD had many negligent discharges because of improper training when transitioning from the DA/SA pistols to striker fire Glocks or M&Ps. In lieu of properly training their officers on striker fire pistol operation, NYPD chose to have their pistols shipped with extra heavy triggers to avoid all the NDs that they foresaw happening. These NDs, however, had nothing to do with the mechanical function of the pistol -- it was all operator error.

LAPD is another very large agency that switched from a Beretta to Glock in the early 2000s. They had a very strict striker fire transition course where you had to pass not just a (very easy) marksmanship course, but also a striker-fire manipulation test. LAPD did not have nearly the same number of NDs as the two other agencies. Either way, this still had nothing to do with the pistol itself. There was a time, however, when LAPD had issues with some of the privately purchased Glock 21s that coppers were using. Some of the pistols were getting light strikes. Glock acknowledged the issue, and officers were required to take their Glock 21 to the armory to be retrofit.

The P320 isn't even that great. In the end, it's just a hunk of plastic and metal. Nobody is insulting anybodies wife here. Unless you have some type of financial incentive, why would anyone feel the need to get all emotional and defend the honor of the otherwise average shooting pistol?

 

[rfgCA]

Some of the views in this thread and a couple of others on the forum is deplorable. But there's really just only a few of you that keep perpetuating your messages over and over.

You sound like the anti-guns... "These Guns kill people!!" ... Pathetic.

If you do not own a P320, think before you open your mouth. Your whining and crying is just adding to the enemy's reasons to take guns away from all of us.

Trying to destroy SIG when you don't even have any skin in the game is the act of a 2A Traitor.

Leave it to those people who will fight fairly based on FACTS, not EMOTIONS and stop perpetuating the mass hysteria when you have nothing to do with it.

 

[DesertDepotArms]

Some of the views in this thread and a couple of others on the forum is deplorable. But there's really just only a few of you that keep perpetuating your messages over and over.

You sound like the anti-guns... "These Guns kill people!!" ... Pathetic.

If you do not own a P320, think before you open your mouth. Your whining and crying is just adding to the enemy's reasons to take guns away from all of us.

Trying to destroy SIG when you don't even have any skin in the game is the act of a 2A Traitor.

Leave it to those people who will fight fairly based on FACTS, not EMOTIONS and stop perpetuating the mass hysteria when you have nothing to do with it.

Amen!!

 

[DesertDepotArms]

I guess I am not sure what your definition of "factual evidence" is. There is more than enough empirical evidence to justify declaring this model of weapon to be unsafe even when used and maintained properly.

The FBI's Ballistics Research Facility (BRF) findings, just one of which was: 'BRF's testing indicated that the striker safety lock could be disabled through movement and friction, creating a scenario where a discharge could occur if the sear engagement is lost', the numerous law enforcement agencies which have deemed the weapon unsafe and the jury findings, there is more than enough empirical evidence and impeach and convict the weapon.

That was not what they concluded....
They said that it may be possible that it could be disabled but were not able to get it to fail or recreate it.
That FBI report was only able to caure a failure after modifying several parts until failure which if you read the report and not just watch sensational yourubers commentary and cherry picking you would be able to see that as well.

 

[USMC06RET]

I don't post or make references to "politics" every SINGLE post. It gets old and stale quick my dear. There's a time for politics not all the time. Do you understand?

It seems you completely ignored my point and request. Not sure why I should afford you any more courtesy than you afford me. As for "my dear", please, you would have to at least buy me dinner before using such terms of endearment, you'd also have to be female.

Anytime someone makes a political crack or comment, I reserve the right to respond. If you don't want politics, apply that to everyone, not just the people with whom you disagree. I will not accommodate your desire for an echo chamber.

 

[DesertDepotArms]

NYPD and LAPD had many negligent discharges because of improper training when transitioning from the DA/SA pistols to striker fire Glocks or M&Ps. In lieu of properly training their officers on striker fire pistol operation, NYPD chose to have their pistols shipped with extra heavy triggers to avoid all the NDs that they foresaw happening. These NDs, however, had nothing to do with the mechanical function of the pistol -- it was all operator error.

LAPD is another very large agency that switched from a Beretta to Glock in the early 2000s. They had a very strict striker fire transition course where you had to pass not just a (very easy) marksmanship course, but also a striker-fire manipulation test. LAPD did not have nearly the same number of NDs as the two other agencies. Either way, this still had nothing to do with the pistol itself. There was a time, however, when LAPD had issues with some of the privately purchased Glock 21s that coppers were using. Some of the pistols were getting light strikes. Glock acknowledged the issue, and officers were required to take their Glock 21 to the armory to be retrofit.

The P320 isn't even that great. In the end, it's just a hunk of plastic and metal. Nobody is insulting anybodies wife here. Unless you have some type of financial incentive, why would anyone feel the need to get all emotional and defend the honor of the otherwise average shooting pistol?

And police departments across the country still have hundreds if not thousands of NDs a year from many different guns

 

[USMC06RET]

That was not what they concluded....
They said that it may be possible that it could be disabled but were not able to get it to fail or recreate it.
That FBI report was only able to caure a failure after modifying several parts until failure which if you read the report and not just watch sensational yourubers commentary and cherry picking you would be able to see that as well.

 

[USMC06RET]

Amen!!

Heh, heh, heh..... no vested or financial interests in this prayer.......

 

[USMC06RET]

And police departments across the country still have hindreds if not thousands of NDs a year from many different guns

The above type of comment is commonly referred to as "gaslighting".

 

[sjb323]

And police departments across the country still have hindreds if not thousands of NDs a year from many different guns

In a previous post, I erroneously stated "NDs", when I meant "AD" or "UD". We are talking about two different things. Yes, police departments everywhere have NDs, but only police departments who issue the P320 have UDs.

If you were a Walther dealer, would you still fight so hard for Sig?

Some of the views in this thread and a couple of others on the forum is deplorable. But there's really just only a few of you that keep perpetuating your messages over and over.

You sound like the anti-guns... "These Guns kill people!!" ... Pathetic.

If you do not own a P320, think before you open your mouth. Your whining and crying is just adding to the enemy's reasons to take guns away from all of us.

Trying to destroy SIG when you don't even have any skin in the game is the act of a 2A Traitor.

Leave it to those people who will fight fairly based on FACTS, not EMOTIONS and stop perpetuating the mass hysteria when you have nothing to do with it.

I did own a P320. I liked it so much I sold it. I still own and carry a P365 and I love it. Whining and crying about a company that produces an unsafe product does not harm the industry. Producing an unsafe product and not taking responsibility does. Sig produces a firearm that goes off when holstered, and somehow we are harming the firearms industry? Nope. And yes, in this case, these gun do kill people -- or at least put holes in their legs.

 

[DesertDepotArms]

The above type of comment is commonly referred to as "gaslighting".

Call it what you want to call it but its the truth.
People that handle firearms on a regular basis are going to have higher rates of negligent discharges. Ive seen it in the military as well as law enforcement and even the competition community.

 

[DesertDepotArms]

In a previous post, I erroneously stated "NDs", when I meant "AD" or "UD". We are talking about two different things. Yes, police departments everywhere have NDs, but only police departments who issue the P320 have UDs.

If you were a Walther dealer, would you still fight so hard for Sig?

I am not a exclusive SIG dealer. I sell Glock, HK, S&W and tons of other brands as well.
It just so happens that SIG makes 2 (P365 and P320) of the best selling guns currently.

Ive said it before and will lean back on what I said we need to see FACTS and EVIDENCE of at problem.
This isn't a complicated design at all and if it were having failures then we would be able to repeat those failures in a experiment.

 

[DuckDawg22]

Anyone wanting to dump their 320s at sub-Glock prices, save your time and DM me I'll take them off your hands.

 

[sjb323]

I am not a exclusive SIG dealer. I sell Glock, HK, S&W and tons of other brands as well.
It just so happens that SIG makes 2 (P365 and P320) of the best selling guns currently.

Ive said it before and will lean back on what I said we need to see FACTS and EVIDENCE of at problem.
This isn't a complicated design at all and if it were having failures then we would be able to repeat those failures in a experiment.

The videos seem pretty convincing. But I digress. There's nothing I have to offer that hasn't been said a zillion times already, and I'm not articulate enough to get a Sig dealer to admit that the P320 is unsafe.

 

[SteamedHams]

I just got an email from RRGC that all P320s are now banned from the property

 

[DesertDepotArms]

The videos seem pretty convincing. But I digress. There's nothing I have to offer that hasn't been said a zillion times already, and I'm not articulate enough to get a Sig dealer to admit that the P320 is unsafe.

Tons of videos of guns going off in holsers not all p320s