Staccato HD P4 warranty discussion by members

[ZeroFoxGiven]

A circle ring dot will likely give you the best clarity if you fine the dots too blurry.

Thank you for the suggestion, have tried those.

 

[No_glonks]

Dawson makes RMR plate with proper rear sights, but looks like you already made your own. Great stuff! For everyone else, like me

Red Dot Adapter Plate & Front Sight Combo for Staccato HD w/ Trijicon RMR, ECO, by Dawson Precision®

Dawson Precision Staccato 2011 HD DPO-ECO red dot adapter package with a half-serrated plate and front sight. Designed for Trijicon RMR red dot sights.

dawsonprecision.com

 

[10RoundLimit]

I truly hated the curved trigger on my hdp4 so I swapped it out for red dirt medium flat and I like the gun a lot better. If I could replicate an atlas grip on the hdp4 that would make it even better. That’s expensive option I’m not willing to spend on.

 

[Hindsight]

I truly hated the curved trigger on my hdp4 so I swapped it out for red dirt medium flat and I like the gun a lot better. If I could replicate an atlas grip on the hdp4 that would make it even better. That’s expensive option I’m not willing to spend on.

They sort of do. Mag mo or whatever their name is makes something that adds space for your support hand on the grip in the same way the alpha grip with a step panel and palm swell setup does.

Also, FWIW, having tried both, I prefer the infinity trigger over the red dirt. But, not worth swapping if you already did so.

 

[millenialshooter83]

I plan on getting the HD P4 sometime next year and I have considered sending it in for optimal tuning to Vulcan Machine Werks: https://vulcanmachinewerks.com/staccato-hd-ignition-package/

I want to keep the same stock parts minus the trigger which will be the one from Red Dirt.

 

[RustVendor]

I plan on getting the HD P4 sometime next year and I have considered sending it in for optimal tuning to Vulcan Machine Werks: https://vulcanmachinewerks.com/staccato-hd-ignition-package/

I want to keep the same stock parts minus the trigger which will be the one from Red Dirt.

That really seems like a horrendous rip off. The hd trigger is pretty good out of the box and much of the polishing will happen naturally as you shoot it. You can do some sear spring tuning, a lighter safety plunger spring and a new trigger yourself.

 

[millenialshooter83]

That really seems like a horrendous rip off. The hd trigger is pretty good out of the box and much of the polishing will happen naturally as you shoot it. You can do some sear spring tuning, a lighter safety plunger spring and a new trigger yourself.

I don't have any experience doing this myself and I'm not about to start with a $2700 gun to learn.

 

[RustVendor]

I don't have any experience doing this myself and I'm not about to start with a $2700 gun to learn.

either way that package is a rip off. The mods I listed are pretty basic though I don't even think you could ruin your gun doing it. It's basically just taking it apart and putting it back together, and setting a screw.

 

[Hindsight]

I don't have any experience doing this myself and I'm not about to start with a $2700 gun to learn.

What about the gun do you want to change that the ignition kit swap will get you? What is the purpose of the gun? General range use? Flex into competition? Carry?

Have you shot the HD P4 already enough to have a sense of how it handles and what you’d want to change?

Wait, am I understanding correctly that you’re trying to pay Vulcan to only swap the trigger and do a MDC + some polishing?

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I plan on getting the HD P4 sometime next year and I have considered sending it in for optimal tuning to Vulcan Machine Werks: https://vulcanmachinewerks.com/staccato-hd-ignition-package/

I want to keep the same stock parts minus the trigger which will be the one from Red Dirt.

Nice, I actually liked the Staccato ignition set and “feel” from factory. I just did not like the factory trigger, too long and I prefer short, no holes solid, flat, smooth faced triggers.

Don’t listen to others though, if you want the package and do not feel comfortable working on / replacing parts just pay the money and have that piece of mind to sleep soundly.

 

[Hindsight]

Nice, I actually liked the Staccato ignition set and “feel” from factory. I just did not like the factory trigger, too long and I prefer short, no holes solid, flat, smooth faced triggers.

Don’t listen to others though, if you want the package and do not feel comfortable working on / replacing parts just pay the money and have that piece of mind to sleep soundly.

I don’t think people were advocating for them to do the work themselves if they didn’t feel capable, moreso that Vulcan is well known to charge pretty high prices relative to the industry.

Probably better service if you find a reputable local smith that can do the minor work it seems like that person wants done.

 

[RustVendor]

I don’t think people were advocating for them to do the work themselves if they didn’t feel capable, moreso that Vulcan is well known to charge pretty high prices relative to the industry.

Probably better service if you find a reputable local smith that can do the minor work it seems like that person wants done.

Yeah I was mostly talking about the cost and necessity since the trigger is already good.

That said I actually do advocate for people to learn to work on their own guns, especially 1911/2011 that require attention and tuning over time and are also fairly easy to take apart and work on. Like in 10,000 rounds when your reset is a little weak do you really want to send to back to staccato vs bending the sear spring a tiny bit? It's also good so you know what it feels like when springs need replacing so you can stay ahead of it. People often say they don't want to work on their carry guns so they take them to a gunsmith but to me it's like, especially on carry guns you want to understand what went in there and why because if its not working you know why. And you really want to trust a guy who only spent an hour looking at you gun that you use all the time. Guns are honestly pretty simple compared to cars and stuff. but that's just my humble opinion haha

 

[Hindsight]

Yeah I was mostly talking about the cost and necessity since the trigger is already good.

That said I actually do advocate for people to learn to work on their own guns, especially 1911/2011 that require attention and tuning over time and are also fairly easy to take apart and work on. Like in 10,000 rounds when your reset is a little weak do you really want to send to back to staccato vs bending the sear spring a tiny bit? It's also good so you know what it feels like when springs need replacing so you can stay ahead of it. People often say they don't want to work on their carry guns so they take them to a gunsmith but to me it's like, especially on carry guns you want to understand what went in there and why because if its not working you know why. And you really want to trust a guy who only spent an hour looking at you gun that you use all the time. Guns are honestly pretty simple compared to cars and stuff. but that's just my humble opinion haha

I agree, but I also get not everyone feels that way or wants to jump in. They could always start with a cheaper 1911 project or a prodigy they find somewhere or something. Maybe if/when the Kimber DS Warrior hits the roster that would be a suitable learning gun as well.

But, I do agree the trigger is pretty good out of the box. The length of pull didn't work for me with the OEM plus I didn't want the MD, so I've swapped between the red dirt and infinity trigger shoe over time across a few HDs I own and the Infinity has won out as preferable. Other than that, just some minor parts swaps and the C4X I regularly carry has been pretty stellar and compares well to other carry 2011s 2-4 times its price that I sometimes carry. I'm a trigger snob and a 2011 snob in general and it's perfectly fine for carry for my purposes, but people's mileage and taste may vary.

I also wonder if OP is aware that having visible work done to their internals may void their warranty based on Staccato's inspection if it goes in for service. That's not a huge deal, but something they need to consider and factor in. Also impacts resale value as well if they decide to sell it later.

 

[jesse]

Also opened up rear sight as my old eyes need light on both sides of front sight to pick it up quickly.

Used calipers to measure, I know the light/ reflection makes it look “off” but it is dialed in.

Wow great work man

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

I agree, but I also get not everyone feels that way or wants to jump in. They could always start with a cheaper 1911 project or a prodigy they find somewhere or something. Maybe if/when the Kimber DS Warrior hits the roster that would be a suitable learning gun as well.

But, I do agree the trigger is pretty good out of the box. The length of pull didn't work for me with the OEM plus I didn't want the MD, so I've swapped between the red dirt and infinity trigger shoe over time across a few HDs I own and the Infinity has won out as preferable. Other than that, just some minor parts swaps and the C4X I regularly carry has been pretty stellar and compares well to other carry 2011s 2-4 times its price that I sometimes carry. I'm a trigger snob and a 2011 snob in general and it's perfectly fine for carry for my purposes, but people's mileage and taste may vary.

I also wonder if OP is aware that having visible work done to their internals may void their warranty based on Staccato's inspection if it goes in for service. That's not a huge deal, but something they need to consider and factor in. Also impacts resale value as well if they decide to sell it later.

Give it a rest man, learn to work on your stuff if you are that worried about warranties. Every other post by you is about voiding the warranty.

Maybe start a new post about the downside of possibly voiding your warranty?

 

[Hindsight]

Give it a rest man, learn to work on your stuff if you are that worried about warranties. Every other post by you is about voiding the warranty.

? This comment wasn't even directed at you? The OP in question was the guy who was going to purchase the HD P4 in the future and didn't want to do the work themselves so they were going to send it to Vulcan. Presumably they are probably new to Staccato and could use the information to make an informed decision.

I've dealt with Staccato since they were STI, TRI, and before so I'm aware of how they work and how to make an informed decision about what I do and don't want to do for my personal needs. As a new Staccato owner that commenter very well might want to keep their warranty or know that it diminishes the value of their guns if they go to resell them.

And for the record, I do work on my own guns and have for over a decade of only really shooting 2011s. You kind of had to in order to keep the platform running in the early days. I do however also know my limits and will get help from good local smiths or people like Mercier, Chambers, Charyn, etc. if I'm out of my depth.

Also no clue what you're saying about the warranties and my posts, but you do you man.

 

[RustVendor]

I agree, but I also get not everyone feels that way or wants to jump in. They could always start with a cheaper 1911 project or a prodigy they find somewhere or something. Maybe if/when the Kimber DS Warrior hits the roster that would be a suitable learning gun as well.

But, I do agree the trigger is pretty good out of the box. The length of pull didn't work for me with the OEM plus I didn't want the MD, so I've swapped between the red dirt and infinity trigger shoe over time across a few HDs I own and the Infinity has won out as preferable. Other than that, just some minor parts swaps and the C4X I regularly carry has been pretty stellar and compares well to other carry 2011s 2-4 times its price that I sometimes carry. I'm a trigger snob and a 2011 snob in general and it's perfectly fine for carry for my purposes, but people's mileage and taste may vary.

I also wonder if OP is aware that having visible work done to their internals may void their warranty based on Staccato's inspection if it goes in for service. That's not a huge deal, but something they need to consider and factor in. Also impacts resale value as well if they decide to sell it later.

For sure but the red dirt trigger should just drop in then one set screw, you aren't doing custom work by switching the trigger on these things.

 

[Hindsight]

For sure but the red dirt trigger should just drop in then one set screw, you aren't doing custom work by switching the trigger on these things.

The red dirt for some of mine were still a bit oversized in some dimensions, like the trigger bow itself was pretty stout and needed a tinnyyy bit of fitting for the channel to be optimal, but yes, swapping the trigger shoe itself is very easy. Honestly, the most annoying part is getting the stupid safeties off more than anything else. But, they have plenty of good youtube videos on it for anyone that wants it + lots of high quality informational stuff on the platform from folks like Engineer's Armory.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

? This comment wasn't even directed at you? The OP in question was the guy who was going to purchase the HD P4 in the future and didn't want to do the work themselves so they were going to send it to Vulcan. Presumably they are probably new to Staccato and could use the information to make an informed decision.

I've dealt with Staccato since they were STI, TRI, and before so I'm aware of how they work and how to make an informed decision about what I do and don't want to do for my personal needs. As a new Staccato owner that commenter very well might want to keep their warranty or know that it diminishes the value of their guns if they go to resell them.

And for the record, I do work on my own guns and have for over a decade of only really shooting 2011s. You kind of had to in order to keep the platform running in the early days. I do however also know my limits and will get help from good local smiths or people like Mercier, Chambers, Charyn, etc. if I'm out of my depth.

Also no clue what you're saying about the warranties and my posts, but you do you man.

Your first post here was exactly taking about voiding warranties and asking me about if I was ready to suffer the consequences. A couple more voiding warranties posts later and your last post referred to the “OP” and since I started this thread, by defunct it’s not a leap to assume you were once again lecturing me about warranties; which is kinda funny because I posted this in the gunsmithing section, not general.

 

[Hindsight]

Your first post here was exactly taking about voiding warranties and asking me about if I was ready to suffer the consequences. A couple more voiding warranties posts later and your last post referred to the “OP” and since I started this thread, by defunct it’s not a leap to assume you were once again lecturing me about warranties; which is kinda funny because I posted this in the gunsmithing section, not general.

That was over two weeks ago my guy and directly related to the conversation at the time and took place all in the same day. This is over two weeks later, still on the same thread, sure, but unrelated to the initial talk of warranties related to you and in relation to someone else who also chimed in with their related, but unrelated topic. Given you replied with a quote, I assumed you had read the reply chain previously in the thread and could have seen "OP" was the original poster of said comment in question about the vulcan package.

I'm sorry if you felt it was directed at you, but that ship has sailed and you've seemingly made that decision without concern or worry and I'm glad for you, but this isn't really about you anymore/wasn't directed at you.

I wouldn't really call two unrelated comments about warranties that are over two weeks apart and directed at two completely different people every other post, but I could see some of the continuity of where you're coming from. I do stress this for the other guy though - a not insignificant part of the value of a stock or lightly modified staccato is the lifetime and now transferable warranty that follows the gun. They have one of the best in the business and when most other places are offering limited lifetime warranties or 1-year warranties like Atlas and Infinity, it's nice to have that assurance it can be worked on and fixed if something goes wrong and also that you won't take a hit if/when selling.