Thorsden anyone?

[Trukinbear]

I'd rather go to jail again than run that

I've probably put close to 5000 perps in jail - there isn't anything that I'd choose jail over... Especially not the way my carbine looks.

 

[saudadeii]

I have a VISM grip as well. They have an ambi thumb shelf to give you a bit more control and are pretty cheap.

https://www.ncstar.com/optics-acc/accessories/ar15-accessories/vagparcam2-ar-featureless-grip-mod2-blk.

Also x2 on the ambi safety.

 

[Drago117]

Has anyone else taken this approach to a Featureless AR build, instead of those dreadful 'fin' grips?

Thorsden FRS 15 gen 2 'not a pistol grip' stock
Thorsden FDS 15 'not a stock' cheekrest
TAC fire linear compensator
BA stainless 16" .223 Wylde

Feels very natural, mimics the stock profile of the venerable M1 Carbine.

i have one its a more comfortable and i think more practical choice since its one screw to change back to pistol grip and if you leave off the buffer tube cover and throw a stock back on when you "travel out of state" with it and you wont have to deal with a pinned stock, if you do plan on shooting with it on a lot i recommend making sure you use the rubber piece it comes with to fill a gap on the grip

 

[Trukinbear]

How do you operate the safety with a fin grip? Use your other hand? Install the safety lefty? The fin grip looks like an attempt to make the rifle unusable, but instead will probably just get you killed - unless you for some reason trained for decades with one.... for some reason IDK. I'd say a fin grip is the most dangerous legal (in California) modification you can make to your rifle. But I digress...

 

[RustVendor]

How do you operate the safety with a fin grip? Use your other hand? Install the safety lefty? The fin grip looks like an attempt to make the rifle unusable, but instead will probably just get you killed - unless you for some reason trained for decades with one.... for some reason IDK. I'd say a fin grip is the most dangerous legal (in California) modification you can make to your rifle. But I digress...

Ambi safety. did you watch the video I posted? There's nothing dangerous about the fin at all I doubt it even cost him time during the match.

 

[Joker67]

How do you operate the safety with a fin grip? Use your other hand? Install the safety lefty? The fin grip looks like an attempt to make the rifle unusable, but instead will probably just get you killed - unless you for some reason trained for decades with one.... for some reason IDK. I'd say a fin grip is the most dangerous legal (in California) modification you can make to your rifle. But I digress...

Ambidextrous safety. Even with the clumsy Thordsen , it was necessary.
If you are running defensive drills, mag changes, switching shoulders and switching grips shooting around targets and on the move, both the gun grip and the ambi safety are easy to work with. You can use standard mags and if you take a course in a free state , just remove two screws, the fin comes off and your rifle isn’t neutered.

No interest in a maglock at all.

Less than a year until the Supreme Court decides.

 

[Hindsight]

I wish there was more of a sure thing with the ledesma grip. It’s a great featureless option in that it’s polymer instead of the metal JT, has a slightly more natural angle (which is kind of the debate), and can be adjusted for when you go out of state for classes or matches without having to fully swap your grip.

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

How do you operate the safety with a fin grip? Use your other hand? Install the safety lefty? The fin grip looks like an attempt to make the rifle unusable, but instead will probably just get you killed - unless you for some reason trained for decades with one.... for some reason IDK. I'd say a fin grip is the most dangerous legal (in California) modification you can make to your rifle. But I digress...

I see you never fired anything without a pistol grip. Missing out on rifles such as M1A, Mini-14, or Bolt Actions, shotguns, list goes on.

 

[Trukinbear]

Ambi safety. did you watch the video I posted? There's nothing dangerous about the fin at all I doubt it even cost him time during the match.

Sorry no, I didn't watch the video - I'm on a boat with a sat phone, and can't afford the bandwidth.

Probably not dangerous if you've trained with one, but coming at it cold with a bunch of ingrained training it's something else indeed. In stressful situations (like where one might reasonably be killed) you're (I) going to revert to training (without fin) and be befuddled by the weapon you've just picked up. If there was any advantage other than state compliance every high end AR out there would be so equipped. But they aren't. I'd rather have a fixed mag (although no I don't want that either) than the fin. The Thorsden at least feels like you picked up a gun, er weapon that operates 2nd nature in your hand. No the Thorsden isn't perfect, but the addition of the pistol cheekrest spices it up somewhat. I really don't want to train on clearing malfunctions with a fixed mag, and I can imagine having to shoot without my thumb on my own. The best compromise I could make, your mileage may vary.

 

[Trukinbear]

I see you never fired anything without a pistol grip. Missing out on rifles such as M1A, Mini-14, or Bolt Actions, shotguns, list goes on.

Most of my rifle experience is without pistol grip, M1 Carbine, Garrand, M14 etc. My contention is the Thorsden feels familiar, shooting with my thumb on the right side of the weapon feels foreign. Almost like they wanted to make sure you couldn't use it, but you found a way to use it anyway

 

[RustVendor]

Sorry no, I didn't watch the video - I'm on a boat with a sat phone, and can't afford the bandwidth.

Probably not dangerous if you've trained with one, but coming at it cold with a bunch of ingrained training it's something else indeed. In stressful situations (like where one might reasonably be killed) you're (I) going to revert to training (without fin) and be befuddled by the weapon you've just picked up. If there was any advantage other than state compliance every high end AR out there would be so equipped. But they aren't. I'd rather have a fixed mag (although no I don't want that either) than the fin. The Thorsden at least feels like you picked up a gun, er weapon that operates 2nd nature in your hand. No the Thorsden isn't perfect, but the addition of the pistol cheekrest spices it up somewhat. I really don't want to train on clearing malfunctions with a fixed mag, and I can imagine having to shoot without my thumb on my own. The best compromise I could make, your mileage may vary.

I mostly just think the thorsden is ugly and heavy, I don't think it's dysfunctional. It's perfectly fine if that's your preference. I still do want to point out that just as far as good carbine technique, I am very curious what you are doing with your rear hand, are you shooting prone or off a bench? if so I can see that requiring a bit more rear hand input since you wouldn't be steering with your support hand on the handguard. But if you are shooting offhand, all of the rearward pressure and steering comes from the front hand on the handguard. I won't say a pistol grip doesn't feel more natural because it does and I prefer it, but having your thumb remain on the same side really shouldn't make a signficant difference because you really shouldn't be using your rear hand to do anything but operate the trigger and safety. Having the thumb on the same siide is actually the standard for precision rifle, all those fancy chassis and 1500 dollar stocks are literally designed that way on purpose. When you get back to civilization and have internet check out these videos on carbine grip techniques, this applies whether you use the thorsden or a pistol grip or a fin grip it's all the same essential thing:

 

[Trukinbear]

I'm sure much of my displeasure (and pain) I experienced was due to arthritis, and repedative motion injury range of motion on my end, but I'd rather be kicked in the nuts than expend a couple of magazines with the fin. I didn't give it a chance, or couldn't. I'm glad that isn't the only option.

 

[Trukinbear]

Luckily I shoot steel matches with the .22WMR - which is what this one would look like anywhere but here.