Thoughts on 1911s vs. 2011s in California

[Atomic Soldier]

C&r Browning hi power. I have one on the way which bears the naughty eagle stamp. Actually it's a liberation model from the first run after being freed of occupation using the leftover german parts. A friend has a cz 75, I couldn't miss with the thing. While not having tried a hi power as of yet, I figure it's going to be very close. And the individual I got it from off GB is happy to ship to CA and modify mags to 10. He's got quite a few as of now but I got the only one with the eagle. All for 1500 or less.

 

[Jimi Jah]

Double stack is too fat for me. Feels like a Glock. Don't feel the need for more than 9 rounds as 10 is the limit anyway. Sort of defeats the reasoning for a 15 round 2011 if you're limited to 10 rounds.

Keeping the Springer 1911 9mm target and the EMP.

 

[mrbieler]

I wanted to love the double stacks and way back when was more than once tempted to pick up a Para Ordnance P13, but they just felt too chunky and I never could get past that.

 

[JamMan1213]

I like 'em both, 1911 for it's classic beauty and the newly updated modernized version 2011's. Both are nice and work quite well.
Why not have both?

 

[momin]

I like 'em both, 1911 for it's classic beauty and the newly updated modernized version 2011's. Both are nice and work quite well.
Why not have both?

I like the way you think

 

[richmc]

Would like to buy a staccato but not with ridiculous 10 round limit law. Kind of pointless.

 

[WWJMBD]

WWJMBD—interesting point about Hi Powers. I’m a huge fan, love how they feel in the hand, but never got around to buying a real one, or a clone. For me, they come in second, after 1911s, as the most instinctively pointable and ergonomic autoloader ever. But for some reason, I’ve always thought of Hi Powers as service/duty sidearms. Can you recommend a forum or blog about accuratizing Hi Powers?

Mannyy—instinctive comfort as a skill multiplier is a good point. Unfortunately, between work and wifey, I don’t get to the range as often as I’d like to. I actually CCW a Springfield EMP 3, which it what made me check out their Loaded Target.

When I was browsing, the youngsters and my LGS showed me some Staccatos and that Sig(?) 2011 everyone is jonesing for. The triggers all felt good, but I didn’t feel an instant wow factor. (The FUD aesthetic runs deep in me lol).

Between B&H and Cylinder and Slide for springs/trigger components, a match barrel, and some Novak/Heinie you can have 90-95% of a well tuned 1911. At that point, both guns shoot better than nearly every person shooting them.

I bought an FEG with a terrible trigger off of here, like 8-9lbs and gritty. I replaced the main spring and recoil spring with some B&H springs, and installed a C&S hammer and sear. It's down to about a 2.5lb glass break trigger, but the OG sights are bent so whatever I point it at is pretty safe at 20 yards. If I get it cut for some better sights, I'll add some more goodies to it. B&H also sells a two stage recoil spring setup, an improved trigger mechanism closer to JMB's original design, and match barrels. I've seen a few of the SA-35s pop up on here for about twice MSRP, but they're still a decent deal vs doing all that work on one of the other clones or an FN. The only thing the SA-35s are really missing are the match barrel, and the B&H improved trigger is still a little nicer. If you've really got some money to throw at it, C&S does some nice custom work, but they did recently change hands.

I've thought about getting an EMP, next time I see a 4" EMP pop up for less than a grand, I'll get it. XL gloves fit snug, so honestly a Commander feels as small as I would want a gun to be. If I don't like it, my wife or kids will at least be able to shoot it. I don't have a CCW, but if I do eventually get one, it would just be to have one in the car when sensible, or in the kit out in the woods/desert, and most of the time that'll be a Gov. in God's caliber.

As far as the 2011s, for that price I'd rather a Wilson, an on the cheaper end with the upcoming Kimber, I'd still rather a Dan Wesson or Baer 1911. Fudd or not, I think making a better pistol has been a fools errand for roughly 115 years.

 

[RustVendor]

I built a 2011 for competitions with a very specific purpose with a specific capacity. If you are just shooting at the range and only plan on using 10 round mags there's zero reason to get a 2011. Maybe if you like the grip modules, but the essential mechanism is the same as a 1911 with like 80% of the same parts.

 

[JamMan1213]

Would like to buy a staccato but not with ridiculous 10 round limit law. Kind of pointless.

I bought mine because (I guess I'm ever the optimist)....If and I mean IF the laws ever change then I can just buy the high round mags and be good to go....
I'd also like to think that someday I'll smarten up and get out of this awfully run state and move to free America. Which is unlikely but one can dream right?

 

[Trapper]

Buy what fits you hand and points naturally for you. You could get a 1911, in .45 or 9mm, send it out for a trigger job, and buy a reloading press for less than Staccato.

 

[donmatteo]

Would like to buy a staccato but not with ridiculous 10 round limit law. Kind of pointless.

Use the Glock 19 mags from freedom week. I have 3 15 round mags from 2019. They fit in my C4X

 

[ton809]

I’m waiting for the gt4 so I can use my freedom week mags or get the other 2011 and use your Glock mags so 10+ rd issues is not a problem

 

[Darqhelmet]

Honestly i’ll take a 1911 in 9mm with WC mags, but the Sig GT4/5 have me interested.

 

[paintballdad]

No, I have never really looked into CZ at all.

Maybe a CZ75 SA if you can find one. Single action only trigger and good ergos with the right grip.

 

[Darqhelmet]

See 9mm 1911, can’t go wrong.

 

[Darqhelmet]

Maybe a CZ75 SA if you can find one. Single action only trigger and good ergos with the right grip.

Those are not a bad option either.

 

[dvoncock]

Double stack is too fat for me. Feels like a Glock. Don't feel the need for more than 9 rounds as 10 is the limit anyway. Sort of defeats the reasoning for a 15 round 2011 if you're limited to 10 rounds.

Keeping the Springer 1911 9mm target and the EMP.

How does the tigger weight, feel, reset, etc. compare between your EMP and Loaded Target?

My experience with the latter is limited brief handling at a couple LGS. I thought it felt felt a bit more tuned out of the box, compared to my EMP, but that coulda been a shinny new gun placebo effect.

 

[RustVendor]

How does the tigger weight, feel, reset, etc. compare between your EMP and Loaded Target?

My experience with the latter is limited brief handling at a couple LGS. I thought it felt felt a bit more tuned out of the box, compared to my EMP, but that coulda been a shinny new gun placebo effect.

I had an EMP for a short time and the trigger was probably near 5lbs, the beauty of a 1911 trigger though is you can quite easily tune it yourself to probably low 3's just by playing with the sear spring and maybe a lighter hammer spring. You may get lucky and your hammer and sear are matched well from the factory but you can also just buy a matched set. Almost doesn't matter how good it is from the factory because it's so tunable.

 

[Nomad]

With Wilson Combat 9mm 1911 magazines you have the max 10rd capacity as every other gun in California, but if you’re thinking of spending up to 3k on a 1911, wait for a good used one. The used market has a lot of good deals right now if you’re patient.

 

[jag9953]

I have both a 19 and 2011. I sure do love my 2011. Atlas are king. Thank you 2AZone!