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What pistol on the California roster gives you the most bang for your buck?

old cycling grip trick, use hairspray to put it on, when it's still wet it slides on and then to take off use an object to pry it up a little and get it wet underneath
 
Glock 20 in 10 mm, I love mine. I end up carrying my 1911 most of the time, but the Glock is handy when I'm wearing a suit because it doesn't shred the suit lining, and it's lighter, so it just works better with a dress belt.
 
Glock 20 in 10 mm, I love mine. I end up carrying my 1911 most of the time, but the Glock is handy when I'm wearing a suit because it doesn't shred the suit lining, and it's lighter, so it just works better with a dress belt.
Got one of these but that is a fat gun to CCW. You have it OWB under a jacket?
 
Pure value and function, I've seen the full size Springfield XD around $300-350. Everything is solid in factory form, and there are no reliability issues, or shot life cycle parts.

If someone had a $400 budget for a home defense pistol, I would recommend that every time.
 
Most people will consider the "best bang for your buck" to be Glock if price is a primary variable. They are usually low cost, have better performance than many other on roster guns, are easy to work on at home, etc. The new S&W M&P 2.0's are a close second depending upon the price. However, Glock Gen 3's don't have the CLI and mag disconnect. Next is probably one of the Beretta 92 variants. However, the plastic parts need to be removed. Of course, the unobtainable HK VP9 is also a great choice, but certainly more expensive. Glock is going to be lowest cost/highest performing across all variables. Other than that, I'd probably choose a VP9 as "best". Another consideration is to look at the Colt Python or Anaconda with 3" or 4" barrel. You're getting a very good revolver in a magnum caliber. Again, a "low price" is not the only consideration.

My take is different. Given the extreme limitations of the roster, and NOT considering a low price to be a high priority variable, the "best bang for your buck" is a high end 1911* from Nighthawk or Wilson Combat**. You're going to get exactly what you want in 9mm, 38 Super, 45 ACP or 10mm. The gun will run, will be extremely accurate, have an amazing trigger that puts all others to shame, and there are many options even within the roster. Nighthawk offers their "Express Gunsmithing Initiative" which takes an on-roster gun and converts it to an off roster model. Wilson Combat may do something similar. This sort of gun will outperform a production polymer framed handgun IF the shooter can take advantage of it.

To be clear, most people do not shoot well enough for there to be enough of a difference to justify a Nighthawk 1911 over a production gun like the Glock 19 or S&W M&P. They can certainly grow into whichever gun they choose. At that point, the differences of the 1911 vs production gun MAY be noticeable and worth the cost. But most people never get that far and their production gun is JUST FINE for whatever their purposes are.

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NOTE:

* Many people take exception to a high end 1911 recommendation. They hem and haw about the cost, parts, etc. That's fine for them and it's their choice. But, those same people go out and drop $5k on random handguns--milsurp to $1,000 Berettas--as if the TOTAL cost is nothing. It's like they are schizophrenic about their spending! They completely forget about the thousands of dollars they spent in the past year. They could have had one or two great guns for the cost of a pile of decent handguns.

Don't get me started on training and proficiency. After $10k in handguns, one would think they'd be able to shoot well. But, unfortunately, no.

** One can consider the Stacatto HD, but it's limited to only 9mm and 10 round magazines; it's certainly worth thinking about, but I don't include it because it is limited to one variant. One gets a great handgun, but not exactly the way one may want it.
 
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Most people will consider the "best bang for your buck" to be Glock if price is a primary variable. They are usually low cost, have better performance than many other on roster guns, are easy to work on at home, etc. The new S&W M&P 2.0's are a close second depending upon the price. However, Glock Gen 3's don't have the CLI and mag disconnect. Next is probably one of the Beretta 92 variants. However, the plastic parts need to be removed. Of course, the unobtainable HK VP9 is also a great choice, but certainly more expensive. Glock is going to be lowest cost/highest performing across all variables. Other than that, I'd probably choose a VP9 as "best". Another consideration is to look at the Colt Python or Anaconda with 3" or 4" barrel. You're getting a very good revolver in a magnum caliber. Again, a "low price" is not the only consideration.

My take is different. Given the extreme limitations of the roster, and NOT considering a low price to be a high priority variable, the "best bang for your buck" is a high end 1911 from Nighthawk or Wilson Combat. You're going to get exactly what you want in 9mm, 38 Super, 45 ACP or 10mm. The gun will run, will be extremely accurate, and there are many options even within the roster. Nighthawk offers their "Express Gunsmithing Initiative" which takes an on-roster gun and converts it to an off roster model. Wilson Combat may do something similar. This sort of gun will outperform a production polymer framed handgun IF the shooter can take advantage of it.

To be clear, most people do not shoot well enough for there to be enough of a difference to justify a Nighthawk 1911 over a production gun like the Glock 19 or S&W M&P. They can certainly grow into whichever gun they choose. At that point, the differences of the 1911 vs production gun MAY be noticeable and worth the cost. But most people never get that far and their production gun is JUST FINE for whatever their purposes are.

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NOTE: Many people take exception to a high end 1911 recommendation. They hem and haw about the cost, parts, etc. That's fine for them and it's their choice. But, those same people go out and drop $5k on random handguns--milsurp to $1,000 Berettas--as if the TOTAL cost is nothing. It's like they are schizophrenic about their costs! They completely forget about the thousands of dollars they spent in the past year. They could have had one or two great guns for the cost of a pile of decent handguns.

Don't get me started on training and proficiency. After $10k in handguns, one would think they'd be able to shoot well. But, unfortunately, no.
Best bang, but not for your buck!
 
Pure value and function, I've seen the full size Springfield XD around $300-350. Everything is solid in factory form, and there are no reliability issues, or shot life cycle parts.

If someone had a $400 budget for a home defense pistol, I would recommend that every time.

No, it's a bad gun and the money is wasted if the person is a "shooter". If it's lifetime round count is 50 or 100, then perhaps that's good enough. But the sum of the parts of the XD is less than the low price tag.
 
Again, there are more variables than price. Also, see the new note.
I'd love to have a fancy 2011 but a nighthawk is more than I spent on 2 m&p 2.0s a shield plus, optics on all three, OR slides for all three, barrels, triggers and components for 10k rounds.
 
No, it's a bad gun and the money is wasted if the person is a "shooter". If it's lifetime round count is 50 or 100, then perhaps that's good enough. But the sum of the parts of the XD is less than the low price tag.
I have one with at least 18,000 rounds through it, plus a lot of dry fire. Nothing broken. After 15,000 rounds I upgraded the trigger. Ammo ranged from LAX remanufactured, aluminum or steel cased, to quality jhp.

Only failures were 2-3 from remans, but they shot the second time I loaded them.

My wife has one with at least 12,000 rounds. Same ammo range. Nothing broken.

Both guns were very accurate and stock sights were aligned correctly and never shifted.

XDs are extremely reliable. They are solid all around, and at a low price.

I don't know what a "shooter" is...I assume you're referring to someone that shoots in competitions. I'd agree these would be bad choices for competition use.

Also, a "shooter" would be fast and accurate with an XD because the principles of shooting remain the same.

Anyways, cool story bro. 500-100 rounds. Nice.
 
I'd love to have a fancy 2011 but a nighthawk is more than I spent on 2 m&p 2.0s a shield plus, optics on all three, OR slides for all three, barrels, triggers and components for 10k rounds.

2xS&W M&P 9: $880ish each with tax and DROS ($700/gun base). $1760
Optics: Are you buying crap optics? Let's say mid-range Holosuns at $350 each. $1155 with tax. If you bought Trijicon (which you should), figure $2400.
Triggers: Generally $100 each. $330 with tax
Barrels: Generally $100 each. $330 with tax
10k rounds reloading: Berrys Bullets 9mm: $120/1000. So that's $1200. $292/5000 Federal Champion primers; let's say $600 shipped. Let's say you'll reload each case 5x. Starline brass is $175/1000. $2150

$5725ish

You totally could have acquired a $3500-$4,000 Nighthawk, a bunch of mags and ammo. I got my Enforcer used for around $2500 and put $500 in springs, blackout option, and trigger work. You could have added a Shield along with a bunch of mags. There's a Wilson Combat CQB at Pacific Arms in Pacifica, CA for $3,300 ($4030 with tax).

A Stacatto HD with 10 round neutered mags runs $3300 OTD. Add Trijicon HD. $4150. Add 10 Glock mags $350 (comes with 3). Holster $100ish, 2 mag holders $120, Kore Essentials belt $75. $4795. $930 left over for ammo.

You can afford it. You just don't want to.
 
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Springfield XD on sale with the Gear Up package is damn hard to beat. Well, maybe the Hellcat Pro with the Gear Up package and red dot that you can sell for $100 gives it a run for its money
 
2xS&W M&P 9: $880ish each with tax and DROS ($700/gun base). $1760
Optics: Are you buying crap optics? Let's say mid-range Holosuns at $350 each. $1155 with tax. If you bought Trijicon (which you should), figure $2400.
Triggers: Generally $100 each. $330 with tax
Barrels: Generally $100 each. $330 with tax
10k rounds reloading: Berrys Bullets 9mm: $120/1000. So that's $1200. $292/5000 Federal Champion primers; let's say $600 shipped. Let's say you'll reload each case 5x. Starline brass is $175/1000. $2150

$5725ish

You totally could have acquired a $3500-$4,000 Nighthawk, a bunch of mags and ammo. I got my Enforcer used for around $2500 and put $500 in springs, blackout option, and trigger work. You could have added a Shield along with a bunch of mags. There's a Wilson Combat CQB at Pacific Arms in Pacifica, CA for $3,300 ($4030 with tax).

A Stacatto HD with 10 round neutered mags runs $3300 OTD. Add Trijicon HD. $4150. Add 10 Glock mags $350 (comes with 3). Holster $100ish, 2 mag holders $120, Kore Essentials belt $75. $4795. $930 left over for ammo.

You can afford it. You just don't want to.
Yeah I paid a lot less than that on every part, defender XLS for 250, got the pistols for about 500 each plus tax, probably about 60% of your estimate. Loading 9 for about 13 cents each total. But a big thing is I wanted two of the same guns for matches, so buying one fancy gun isn't enough, and I also have no use for a single stack I need it to be double stack. I like to find the best bang for my buck and that's all I can spend, I have a mortgage and student loans. Maybe some day I'll spend 4k on a pistol but not any time soon
 
10k rounds reloading: Berrys Bullets 9mm: $120/1000. So that's $1200. $292/5000 Federal Champion primers; let's say $600 shipped. Let's say you'll reload each case 5x. Starline brass is $175/1000. $2150

You can afford it. You just don't want to.

or you can just go to Route66 Expo and get 10000 factory ammo for about $2100 otd.
 
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