Why are classifieds even offered for free?

[iLuvLatinas]

I will say to look at Tax Swap. They charge like 25 cents per post or something like that I think?

The people who use Tax Swap list their used items like they're new and the other fools that use it are stupid enough to pay

 

[Seeed]

Maybe not cost restrict all classifieds, just the firearms ones. Do a one free trial for up to 3’firearma, then charge $5 per sale post per month for non members. Something like that.

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Maybe not cost restrict all classifieds, just the firearms ones. Do a one free trial for up to 3’firearma, then charge $5 per sale post per month for non members. Something like that.

Dude. Just Stop.

 

[Seeed]

Dude. Just Stop.

Dude no. Wow 20 trader feedback. Nice!

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Dude no

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Dude no. Wow 20 trader feedback. Nice!

So out of the 5 feedback you have, 1 was from verification, 2 were from nondonating members that also actively sells, and 2 were from donating members. Why you doing business with the undesirables?
Then i looked at your listings, and no wonder you mad. Whole buncha nondonating members are selling the same/similar gun as yours for half price., you want to rid the competition so you can sell yours at retail.

 

[Seeed]

So out of the 5 feedback you have, 1 was from verification, 2 were from nondonating members that also actively sells, and 2 were from donating members. Why you doing business with the undesirables?
Then i looked at your listings, and no wonder you mad. Whole buncha nondonating members are selling the same/similar gun as yours for half price., you want to rid the competition so you can sell yours at retail.

I don’t give a about what people sell and I never looked. And I only care about buyers, it’s free for them. To go a step further and criticize them cause they sell for free is a stretch in your argument. I have no relationship with them as sellers do I? No. If they sell I would expect them to support the platform that lets that happen. Plain and simple. Nonsense argument.

 

[Deadcoyote]

How about writing a coherent thought, you know something that makes sense?

Okay, I guess I’m confused why you feel we should all have to pay to use the classifieds on here?

There exists a model, wherein people are selling ad space to companies, and that subsidizes the whole operation so we may engage in our private sales and life is good.

 

[ikeo1]

Okay, I guess I’m confused why you feel we should all have to pay to use the classifieds on here?

There exists a model, wherein people are selling ad space to companies, and that subsidizes the whole operation so we may engage in our private sales and life is good.

The reason we're moving to this is because the subsidy is variable and has very big swings. I hope people realize how limited it is, it's ok right now, but that's not a guarantee because California is limited in what people can offer and also limited in our options. Out of 29 months we've been profitable for 8 months. The reality is the paid supporters for the majority of the sites operation has supported the free users. As the advertisers came, we were able to do more things.

The model works very differently in the 2A space. Paid is just a wait to reduce scammers and ensure better quality listings. A lot of people said Armslist lost a lot, but reality after some investigation, they are still very large 95k listings and a nationwide network. TacSwap requires it, other locations require ID, TexasGunTraders, etc. While those reasons are valid, our reason is specifically to reduce scammer listings/moderation and also decrease the number of unresponsive members.

For every one we reduce, that's multiplied by the number we see and over time that adds up. The specific indirect problem is unresponsive listings, there will be fewer because free accounts by far are the most unresponsive. We make these smaller changes to tune in less resources, higher quality listings, is a better experience for everyone.

The member that want extra features or to support the site to help our ops and ultimately ability to spread the word and continue to build out other tech. Our bill trackers and roster tracker are now information resources with alerts and links to sources. The purpose is for the site to grow as an information hub for members and support the clubs and up and comers.

 

[Darqhelmet]

The reason we're moving to this is because the subsidy is variable and has very big swings. I hope people realize how limited it is, it's ok right now, but that's not a guarantee because California is limited in what people can offer and also limited in our options. Out of 29 months we've been profitable for 8 months. The reality is the paid supporters for the majority of the sites operation has supported the free users. As the advertisers came, we were able to do more things.

The model works very differently in the 2A space. Paid is just a wait to reduce scammers and ensure better quality listings. A lot of people said Armslist lost a lot, but reality after some investigation, they are still very large 95k listings and a nationwide network. TacSwap requires it, other locations require ID, TexasGunTraders, etc. While those reasons are valid, our reason is specifically to reduce scammer listings/moderation and also decrease the number of unresponsive members.

For every one we reduce, that's multiplied by the number we see and over time that adds up. The specific indirect problem is unresponsive listings, there will be fewer because free accounts by far are the most unresponsive. We make these smaller changes to tune in less resources, higher quality listings, is a better experience for everyone.

The member that want extra features or to support the site to help our ops and ultimately ability to spread the word and continue to build out other tech. Our bill trackers and roster tracker are now information resources with alerts and links to sources. The purpose is for the site to grow as an information hub for members and support the clubs and up and comers.

TexasGunTraders. Oof that place took a massive massive during covid. For a couple years its was unusable. I think I sold about 5 gun on there over the years. But at the end it was nothing but scammers both foreigners and out of state people trying to get you to do wire fraud. The owner reminds me of the stories I hear about calguns. We stopped using in all together and just stuck to our forum. Smaller pool but in the end we just all passed guns around between us. I think my 43x is on its 3rd or 4th guy from my old group.

TLDR: Do not let this place turn into TexasGunTrader, Pre verification.

 

[Gawernator]

Odd coincidence with Armslist, decided to check it out since I haven't gone on it since 2015. Paid to use completely now, no free accounts and mine is gone.

Looked up P2000 out of curiosity and this "vendor" post seems to be a scam, so much for vetting. Website URL takes you to some strange chinese website, no real photos of the gun - when you click on the vendor it says store does not exist.

For Sale: HK P2000 SK 9mm near Monroe, Atlanta, GA : 8486293

Buy a HK P2000 SK 9mm near Monroe, Atlanta, GA : 8486293

www.armslist.com

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Remove free listings for free members, and see the availability of items and buyers decrease. Traffic decreases, and maybe even advertisements. Less people to engage in topics.

Calguns traffic picks back up, advertisers move to where traffic goes, topic engagement increases, unadulterated listings increases. Kestryll being on board of directors at CRPA means Calguns is never going to die out.

I mean it's a bold strategy, I just want to see how it plays out. All because some bitter contributors did it coming.

 

[five.five-six]

If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product. Best example is a chicken who receives free food, housing and protection from predators. Eventually, that chicken ends up on the menus because all along they were the product. On CaGuns, the product is you and the customer is advertisers who pay to be here. CaGuns just decided to cut your feed allowance.

 

[ikeo1]

If you are not paying for the product, then you are the product. Best example is a chicken who receives free food, housing and protection from predators. Eventually, that chicken ends up on the menus because all along they were the product. On CaGuns, the product is you and the customer is advertisers who pay to be here. CaGuns just decided to cut your feed allowance.

Standard for big tech but we’re not a DSP. Granted the ads you see are part of that, but like I said we’ve been negative for a lot longer with members supporting the free tier. The model isn’t the same here as the big social platforms, which is why so many have died off and the importance of community powered sustained instead of subsidy.

Your feed is still 100% but your post is limited due to a number of reasons as mentioned. Keeping a cynical eye on it without acknowledging the practical side of it due to a misunderstanding of the model seems to be really common by a number of people who seem to like free things.

Note: Your feed is allowance is not reduced, it’s optimized. You are still able to get the same or more. Unutilized capacity is returned since it isn’t used as much, it’s still open and both you and @Plenty_Pack_556 don’t have 3 listings. You’ll find this is more common than not but for some reason have something to say.

You can still put multiple listings in one, which is standard for GAFShub.. Plus we offer some additional features considering this place is more than a marketplace. The classifieds use is almost the same as the forum and other parts of the site now. Access has expanded but consider it redistributed so that those who take advantage are reigned in. You still have the free option.

 

[ikeo1]

Remove free listings for free members, and see the availability of items and buyers decrease. Traffic decreases, and maybe even advertisements. Less people to engage in topics.

Calguns traffic picks back up, advertisers move to where traffic goes, topic engagement increases, unadulterated listings increases. Kestryll being on board of directors at CRPA means Calguns is never going to die out.

I mean it's a bold strategy, I just want to see how it plays out. All because some bitter contributors did it coming.

They are back up, why aren’t you posting there?

 

[21SF 2.0]

if you weren’t hurt, you wouldn’t have tried to white knight, all of us can see through it. It’s ok though you’re still welcome to use the services for free. No hard feelings.

White knight? lol you’re a liberal disguised as a gun dude calm down

 

[21SF 2.0]

If you don’t like capitalism, I’ll help you pack.

Capitalism more like opportunistic rat

 

[ikeo1]

White knight? lol you’re a liberal disguised as a gun dude calm down

Is that supposed to be an insult? How old are you? It's a pathetic cop out.

Capitalism more like opportunistic rat

This is America, land of opportunity. You make it sound like competition is a bad thing, you're probably not used to competing. Imagine a "liberal" doing more than you and your friends in a niche you're supposed to own. What does that say about your effort?

I'm sorry for hurting your feelings for you to lash out. Now that the site is back up after 2 years, you will have your place.

 

[Insert_user_name_here]

Capitalism more like opportunistic rat

listen Mamdami, I know you think your government ran grocery stores should be the only stores that exist but here in America, if something sucks, someone is welcome to make a better product and offer it to society. That’s why we have a variety of grocery stores.

 

[MrWilly]

I found this sight as a place to sell a couple of pistols without having to pay for the privilege. Once I started browsing the forums, I was hooked by the FANTASTIC conversations and advice. So much so I'm now a paying supporter and I've found my my 2A home. And I may have bought a gun or five myself.
Just like a drug dealer, the first hit is always free