Are we free now to make California legal AOWs?

[Gawernator]

If you don’t have to engrave anymore how do you show your “pistol” is actually an AOW

 

[M_N04H]

If you don’t have to engrave anymore how do you show your “pistol” is actually an AOW

My AR pistol didn't need engraving. But it's also not an NFA item

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

If you don’t have to engrave anymore how do you show your “pistol” is actually an AOW

Ar Pistol isn't the only Ar that can be a AOW.

 

[Gawernator]

Ar Pistol isn't the only Ar that can be a AOW.

ok...? I never said that. Thanks captain obvious lol

 

[Gawernator]

My AR pistol didn't need engraving. But it's also not an NFA item

Yeah again I am asking about making AOW's please stay on topic guys lol

 

[M_N04H]

Yeah again I am asking about making AOW's please stay on topic guys lol

Was addressing your question about the engraving

 

[Gawernator]

Was addressing your question about the engraving

you said you don't have a NFA AOW though. I am asking about making an AOW. Now that no registration is required

 

[Gawernator]

It only let me attach 4 images in the last post, here are two more from 2AZone

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Sounds like they're saying we need to join GOA and engrave?

 

[ar15robert]

Mine is engraved because I had it done a while ago, and still waiting for ATF approval. But now I don't know what to do.

Just wait on approval. You don’t know what next administration will do and they can reverse it. I have one nfa sbr and they engraved the inner magwell. Might do another but leaning towards going from 556 to 300bo or 9mm on that one.

 

[Jcwatchdog]

If you don’t have to engrave anymore how do you show your “pistol” is actually an AOW

It just is one when you add a forward vertical grip. The engraving itself isn’t what made it into an AOW, adding the forward grip did. The AOW engraving was just a requirement of the registration along with all the other requirements like a picture, fingerprints, and the $200 tax stamp.

 

[Plenty_Pack_556]

Sounds like they're saying we need to join GOA and engrave?

The atf announced this new change is for All Americans. Not just those that joined a organization.

 

[bluebird95]

Wish I understood this better. These laws make no sense. An AOW is just a short barreled weapon with a vertical grip?

 

[Gawernator]

Wish I understood this better. These laws make no sense. An AOW is just a short barreled weapon with a vertical grip?

Yeah it’s not a rifle and it’s not a pistol in clown world legal terms so it’s AOW

 

[joefrank64k]

Wish I understood this better. These laws make no sense. An AOW is just a short barreled weapon with a vertical grip?

You have to start with a firearm that was never designed or redesigned to fire from the shoulder. That rules out rifles and shotguns.

If you have a firearm that fires shotgun shells, but came from the factory with only a pistol grip (no stock), then that can be made into an AOW (regardless of having a VFG or not).

Pistols ‘become’ AOWs when you add a VFG.

And generally AOW’s have to be <26” OAL.

Then there are the ‘other’ firearms like the Mossberg Shockwave, haha!! 14” barrels, pistol grip only, OAL just over 26”. Those can be sold via 4473 without NFA registration (not in CA).

This is not an all-inclusive list of course. AOWs are fun, but you have to pay attention to what you’re doing.

 

[EsotericEpsilon]

I wonder if this allows Californian to build something similar to Franklin Armory's Title 1?

 

[RustVendor]

You have to start with a firearm that was never designed or redesigned to fire from the shoulder. That rules out rifles and shotguns.

If you have a firearm that fires shotgun shells, but came from the factory with only a pistol grip (no stock), then that can be made into an AOW (regardless of having a VFG or not).

Pistols ‘become’ AOWs when you add a VFG.

And generally AOW’s have to be <26” OAL.

Then there are the ‘other’ firearms like the Mossberg Shockwave, haha!! 14” barrels, pistol grip only, OAL just over 26”. Those can be sold via 4473 without NFA registration (not in CA).

This is not an all-inclusive list of course. AOWs are fun, but you have to pay attention to what you’re doing.

I still don't really get what this would open up though because don't they still have to be maglocked? And because of the roster aren't we still blocked from buying just about everything that this would qualify under? Like what's the difference if you SSE a pistol lower and then just keep it as a pistol vs making it AOW?

 

[M_N04H]

I still don't really get what this would open up though because don't they still have to be maglocked? And because of the roster aren't we still blocked from buying just about everything that this would qualify under? Like what's the difference if you SSE a pistol lower and then just keep it as a pistol vs making it AOW?

Vertical foregrip

 

[Gawernator]

I still don't really get what this would open up though because don't they still have to be maglocked? And because of the roster aren't we still blocked from buying just about everything that this would qualify under? Like what's the difference if you SSE a pistol lower and then just keep it as a pistol vs making it AOW?

Yeah that's why I lost my excitement, you can't use more than a 10 round mag and have to be maglocked so the gun is still a gimped POS. You just get a VFG that's it. I'll wait for the SC ruling this summer when they strike down the AW ban and just have a normal gun instead of building some compliance model just to go obsolete 4 months later

 

[RustVendor]

Vertical foregrip

is that really it? You can just use a slightly angled foregrip. no one actually shoots a gun using the foregrip as a grip like in 80s movies, it's really just a hand stop to index from

 

[Gawernator]

is that really it? You can just use a slightly angled foregrip. no one actually shoots a gun using the foregrip as a grip like in 80s movies, it's really just a hand stop to index from

yup