CCW Contra Costa County

[TXstar]

It's not over until it's over, but hopefully will have good news for you guys sometime in the next few weeks.

 

[kmoros]

Settlement reached! More info here:

https://saf.org/saf-win-california-sheriff-to-allow-red-dots-weapon-lights-and-1911-2011-handguns/

Logistically, here is how it will work for those who already have a permit, per the Sheriff's Department:

Existing licensees who want to add or change a firearm to their license or add a red-dot sight or flashlight to their firearm will submit a request through Permitium. The Sheriff’s Office anticipates that licensees will be able to submit such a request within the next few weeks. Following receipt of this request, the Sheriff’s Office will schedule the licensee for range qualification with the new or modified firearm. To accommodate the requests, the Sheriff’s Office is adding dates and times for range qualification. Given existing staffing and range commitments, these appointments are expected to commence in early November. For flashlight qualification, licensees will need to schedule an evening appointment.

If you are getting close to renewal anyway, it may make sense to just wait until you renew.

 

[john_marsten_1873]

Settlement reached! More info here:

https://saf.org/saf-win-california-sheriff-to-allow-red-dots-weapon-lights-and-1911-2011-handguns/

Logistically, here is how it will work for those who already have a permit, per the Sheriff's Department:

Existing licensees who want to add or change a firearm to their license or add a red-dot sight or flashlight to their firearm will submit a request through Permitium. The Sheriff’s Office anticipates that licensees will be able to submit such a request within the next few weeks. Following receipt of this request, the Sheriff’s Office will schedule the licensee for range qualification with the new or modified firearm. To accommodate the requests, the Sheriff’s Office is adding dates and times for range qualification. Given existing staffing and range commitments, these appointments are expected to commence in early November. For flashlight qualification, licensees will need to schedule an evening appointment.

If you are getting close to renewal anyway, it may make sense to just wait until you renew.

Hell F-ing yeah!!! Will donate to 2AF today! Thanks for all the work ya’ll are doing!

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Settlement reached! More info here:

https://saf.org/saf-win-california-sheriff-to-allow-red-dots-weapon-lights-and-1911-2011-handguns/

Logistically, here is how it will work for those who already have a permit, per the Sheriff's Department:

Existing licensees who want to add or change a firearm to their license or add a red-dot sight or flashlight to their firearm will submit a request through Permitium. The Sheriff’s Office anticipates that licensees will be able to submit such a request within the next few weeks. Following receipt of this request, the Sheriff’s Office will schedule the licensee for range qualification with the new or modified firearm. To accommodate the requests, the Sheriff’s Office is adding dates and times for range qualification. Given existing staffing and range commitments, these appointments are expected to commence in early November. For flashlight qualification, licensees will need to schedule an evening appointment.

If you are getting close to renewal anyway, it may make sense to just wait until you renew.

This is such a big win for us here in Co Co. Thank you so much for all you guys have done. I have become a 5 year member because of this lawsuit and the UsPS one; still waiting on my physical membership card.

Will they allow non optic ready slides that have been optic cut by a third party? Or are they treating that as a modification?

For optics ready slides, have they mentioned anything about aftermarket steel plates being used; over the factory Oem plastic ones?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I also realized this will mean, if we want to qualify with lights, we will also need to buy new OWB holsters to accommodate the light for quali; and then also new appendix holsters as well for carry (for appendix folks).

 

[GAAPlebees]

I hope they revise the modifications policy overall. There was a big difference in how they inspected guns during qualifying on my initial vs my first renewal (they didn’t inspect much the second time around) so they may have an informal policy of not caring.

If I can send my Glock to wager machine works for a slide job that gets me excited, if I have to buy a whole new firearm I’m less excited. I also technically cannot swap out the useless mag release on my 30 year Glock 19, which is annoying.

 

[kmoros]

This is such a big win for us here in Co Co. Thank you so much for all you guys have done. I have become a 5 year member because of this lawsuit and the UsPS one; still waiting on my physical membership card.

Will they allow non optic ready slides that have been optic cut by a third party? Or are they treating that as a modification?

For optics ready slides, have they mentioned anything about aftermarket steel plates being used; over the factory Oem plastic ones?

We didn't get into that nitty gritty, especially as thanks to Boland, there are so many guns that come factory-ready for red dots.

By my read of the agreement, guns milled for slides should fall within it, as long as you don't do other modifications. But let me know if they give you any trouble and I'll reach out and see if we can work that out with them too.

Personally, I wouldn't even mention it's a milled gun, as they may not even be bothered by it unless you draw attention to it.

 

[Gawernator]

Settlement reached! More info here:

https://saf.org/saf-win-california-sheriff-to-allow-red-dots-weapon-lights-and-1911-2011-handguns/

Logistically, here is how it will work for those who already have a permit, per the Sheriff's Department:

Existing licensees who want to add or change a firearm to their license or add a red-dot sight or flashlight to their firearm will submit a request through Permitium. The Sheriff’s Office anticipates that licensees will be able to submit such a request within the next few weeks. Following receipt of this request, the Sheriff’s Office will schedule the licensee for range qualification with the new or modified firearm. To accommodate the requests, the Sheriff’s Office is adding dates and times for range qualification. Given existing staffing and range commitments, these appointments are expected to commence in early November. For flashlight qualification, licensees will need to schedule an evening appointment.

If you are getting close to renewal anyway, it may make sense to just wait until you renew.

Awesome news, I had a friend going crazy messaging me about this win so thank you for fighting against these losers

 

[Gawernator]

This is such a big win for us here in Co Co. Thank you so much for all you guys have done. I have become a 5 year member because of this lawsuit and the UsPS one; still waiting on my physical membership card.

Will they allow non optic ready slides that have been optic cut by a third party? Or are they treating that as a modification?

For optics ready slides, have they mentioned anything about aftermarket steel plates being used; over the factory Oem plastic ones?

I never got a membership card, are we supposed to get one? I paid for one year

 

[kmoros]

I never got a membership card, are we supposed to get one? I paid for one year

Hey so I asked and they said they sent you a digital one, which is our standard practice, but you haven't opened it. They told me they will get a physical card sent out to you too.

That said, for this particular settlement, it is not limited to SAF members, the Sheriff has agreed to change these rules as to everyone. The ones limited to SAF members are injunctions done by courts. When we settle, we don't limit relief that way.

 

[Gawernator]

Hey so I asked and they said they sent you a digital one, which is our standard practice, but you haven't opened it. They told me they will get a physical card sent out to you too.

That said, for this particular settlement, it is not limited to SAF members, the Sheriff has agreed to change these rules as to everyone. The ones limited to SAF members are injunctions done by courts. When we settle, we don't limit relief that way.

Hey that's cool, thanks! I am logged in on the website so I see the digital dashboard with my CC info, if that's what it was. Appreciate you (also do you guys ever hire investigators, now that would be cool)

 

[NorCalPRS-NRL]

I also realized this will mean, if we want to qualify with lights, we will also need to buy new OWB holsters to accommodate the light for quali; and then also new appendix holsters as well for carry (for appendix folks).

I was allowed to use AIWB for my qual. You will not need to purchase an OWB WML holster unless that's just something you want.

 

[NorCalPRS-NRL]

Settlement reached! More info here:

https://saf.org/saf-win-california-sheriff-to-allow-red-dots-weapon-lights-and-1911-2011-handguns/

Logistically, here is how it will work for those who already have a permit, per the Sheriff's Department:

Existing licensees who want to add or change a firearm to their license or add a red-dot sight or flashlight to their firearm will submit a request through Permitium. The Sheriff’s Office anticipates that licensees will be able to submit such a request within the next few weeks. Following receipt of this request, the Sheriff’s Office will schedule the licensee for range qualification with the new or modified firearm. To accommodate the requests, the Sheriff’s Office is adding dates and times for range qualification. Given existing staffing and range commitments, these appointments are expected to commence in early November. For flashlight qualification, licensees will need to schedule an evening appointment.

If you are getting close to renewal anyway, it may make sense to just wait until you renew.

Man that's frustrating. I may be in the minority here, but it feels like they are just trying to add another (set of?) hurdle(s) in an attempt to make folks voluntarily choose to not run dots/lights.

 

[kmoros]

Man that's frustrating. I may be in the minority here, but it feels like they are just trying to add another (set of?) hurdle(s) in an attempt to make folks voluntarily choose to not run dots/lights.

It's def possible that they want to discourage people from modifying existing permits, sure.

But you will eventually have to renew, and at that point, you may as well renew with a gun that has a dot/light on it, or a 1911/2011 if that's what you want.

So it's a temporary nuisance for those who want the change now yes, but then it will just be the renewal cycle.

 

[Gawernator]

Man that's frustrating. I may be in the minority here, but it feels like they are just trying to add another (set of?) hurdle(s) in an attempt to make folks voluntarily choose to not run dots/lights.

In the meantimes there’s really nothing to stop you from running a dot or light really is there? It’s not illegal

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

We didn't get into that nitty gritty, especially as thanks to Boland, there are so many guns that come factory-ready for red dots.

By my read of the agreement, guns milled for slides should fall within it, as long as you don't do other modifications. But let me know if they give you any trouble and I'll reach out and see if we can work that out with them too.

Personally, I wouldn't even mention it's a milled gun, as they may not even be bothered by it unless you draw attention to it.

Ok, good to know thank you. Hopefully we won’t have to deal with milled slide discrimination.

So what’s up with this qualifying in the evening appointment for lights? I’m guessing they want us shooting in a low light or no light situation where they want to see that we can draw from a holster with a WMl, manipulate the buttons to turn it on before firing the shot, and then turning it back off; while being safe about it?

 

[Gawernator]

Ok, good to know thank you. Hopefully we won’t have to deal with milled slide discrimination.

So what’s up with this qualifying in the evening thing for lights? I’m guessing they want us shooting in a low light or no light situation where they want to see that we can draw from a holster with a WMl, manipulate the buttons to turn it on before firing the shot, and then turning it back off; while being safe about it?

Just a way to try and make another barrier to entry

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I never got a membership card, are we supposed to get one? I paid for one year

Hey so I asked and they said they sent you a digital one, which is our standard practice, but you haven't opened it. They told me they will get a physical card sent out to you too.

That said, for this particular settlement, it is not limited to SAF members, the Sheriff has agreed to change these rules as to everyone. The ones limited to SAF members are injunctions done by courts. When we settle, we don't limit relief that way.

For me, I needed to email info@saf.org
With
“ Please include full legal name and mailing address below for verification. - SAF Membership Team”.

Response I received was; “ Thank you for reaching out to request a physical membership card.

Your request has been placed in queue. Your card will be processed and sent out via usps within 7-10 business days.

Please let us know if there is anything else we can do to assist you.

Kind regards,”

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Just a way to try and make another barrier to entry

Evening would mean appointment at least after 5pm.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

I hope they revise the modifications policy overall. There was a big difference in how they inspected guns during qualifying on my initial vs my first renewal (they didn’t inspect much the second time around) so they may have an informal policy of not caring.

If I can send my Glock to wager machine works for a slide job that gets me excited, if I have to buy a whole new firearm I’m less excited. I also technically cannot swap out the useless mag release on my 30 year Glock 19, which is annoying.

Did they physically check or just eye from where they were standing?