Glock abandons CA (no longer shipping parts/accessories)

[pikachu]

I will continue to support my California brothers and Sisters with their Glock parts needs after January 1st and have the shipping requirements integrated into my site needed under ab1263.

Thanks! Are you selling individual recoil spring assemblies and parts? Or only bundled kits?

 

[MarineGunBuilder]

Yessir we stock every part for every model in every generation.

 

[Joe tansin]

Not that I’m supportive of Gav, but I’m not sure how your description works. It would seem that the non-existence of citizens would eliminate the need to re-invent a city. Also, the elimination of citizens would seem counter-productive as it would eliminate those being taxed.

Exactly. but seems you have not figured out you are talking about someone insane! Ask yourself this question, he has now limited the amount of guns you can buy in a month, less gun sales , less taxes collected, the dumb ass does irrational things over and over. B

 

[Dvrjon]

Exactly. but seems you have not figured out you are talking about someone insane! Ask yourself this question, he has now limited the amount of guns you can buy in a month, less gun sales , less taxes collected, the dumb ass does irrational things over and over. B

In no way did I express support for the Gav; I merely pointed out that your concept of taxing the populace out of existence is completely illogical (a tendency which now appears to be a trend).

Finally, in regards to your example of constriction of gun sales, ask yourself this question: "What is different now than in the past?"

The limitation on monthly gun sales goes back decades as we were constrained to purchase only 1 gun-in-30 days. That law was recently voided and theyʻve passed a new, 3 guns-in-one month rule (which will not stand). Historically, thatʻs more gun sales and more taxes collected, in opposition to your premise. I donʻt agree with it or support it, but it seems to refute your basic premise on this issue.

 

[Shredla]

Shout out to the guys in the forum trying to sell a stock 19 or 17 gen 3 for over $1k as if its a collectors item or rare in any sense of the word. You need to stick to reselling pokemon cards and Nike Sb's

 

[Dvrjon]

Returning to the thread...

The provisions of the bill lay out the various requirments for vendors to meet to import directly to purchasers:

(e) (1) Prior to completing the sale or delivery in California or to a California resident of a firearm accessory or a firearm manufacturing machine, as those terms are defined in Section 3273.50, or of a firearm barrel unattached to a firearm, a firearm industry member shall comply with all of the following requirements:
(A) The firearm industry member shall provide a prospective purchaser with a clear and conspicuous notice of the information provided in paragraph (2).
(B) The firearm industry member shall receive an acknowledgment from the prospective purchaser attesting that the prospective purchaser received and understands the notice provided in paragraph (2).
(C) The firearm industry member shall require the prospective purchaser to provide proof of age and identity verifying that the prospective purchaser is at least 18 years of age.
(2) The notice described in paragraph (1) shall clearly notify the prospective purchaser that it is generally a crime in California to engage in any of the following conduct without a valid license to manufacture firearms:
(A) Manufacturing more than three firearms per calendar year in California.
(B) Manufacturing a firearm using a three-dimensional printer or CNC milling machine.
(C) Manufacturing a firearm for the purpose of selling or transferring ownership of that firearm to another individual who is not licensed to manufacture firearms.
(D) Manufacturing a firearm for the purpose of selling, loaning, or transferring that firearm, with the intent to complete the sale, loan, or transfer without a required background check initiated by a licensed firearms dealer.
(E) Allowing, facilitating, aiding, or abetting the manufacture of a firearm by a person who is legally prohibited from possessing firearms.
(F) Manufacturing, or causing the manufacture of, assault weapons, machineguns, undetectable firearms, unserialized firearms, unsafe handguns that are not on the Department of Justice roster of handguns certified for sale in California, or other generally prohibited weapons.
(3) For shipment and delivery of a firearm barrel, firearm accessory, or firearm manufacturing machine, the firearm industry member shall do all of the following:
(A) Ensure all packages are conspicuously labeled with the words: “Signature and proof of identification of person aged 18 years or older required for delivery.”
(B) Ensure the shipping instructions list an address that matches the purchaser’s identification.
(C) Require the purchaser, upon delivery, to present a courier with proof of identification and the purchaser’s signature in order to receive the item.

That puts a bunch of provisions on the vendor, but doesnʻt halt out-of-state sale direct to Californians.

But, the risk is amplified by the additional provisions of the statute:

3273.625.​

(a) It is unlawful to knowingly, willfully, or recklessly cause another person to engage in the unlawful manufacture of firearms, or to knowingly, willfully, or recklessly aid, abet, promote, or facilitate the unlawful manufacture of firearms.
(b) As used in this section, the “unlawful manufacture of firearms” shall have the same meaning provided in subdivision (b) of Section 29186 of the Penal Code.
(c) (1) A person who has suffered harm in California as a result of a violation of this section may bring an action in a court of competent jurisdiction to establish that a person has violated this section, and may seek compensatory damages as well as injunctive relief sufficient to prevent the person and any other defendant from further violating the law.
(2) The Attorney General, county counsel, or city attorney may bring an action in a court of competent jurisdiction to establish that a person has violated this section, and may seek a civil penalty not to exceed twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) for each violation, as well as injunctive relief sufficient to prevent the person and any other defendant from further violating the law.
(d) A prevailing plaintiff shall be entitled to recover reasonable attorney’s fees and costs.
(e) The remedies provided by this section are cumulative and shall not be construed as restricting any other rights, causes of action, claims, or defenses available under any other law.

That appears to allow just about anybody to drive a nuisance suit against the industry.

Hereʻs a Firearms Industry Compliance firmʻs synopsis.

 

[Joe tansin]

Shout out to the guys in the forum trying to sell a stock 19 or 17 gen 3 for over $1k as if its a collectors item or rare in any sense of the word. You need to stick to reselling pokemon cards and Nike Sb's

Indeed opportunists will always be there like when there is an earthquake and idiots will be selling water for 20 dollars a gallon! Wait the DWP is already doing that. make that 50 a gallon.

 

[cali_jazz]

I will continue to support my California brothers and Sisters with their Glock parts needs after January 1st and have the shipping requirements integrated into my site needed under ab1263.

I will add you to our list of sites continuing to ship directly to CA folk. Thank you!

 

[AR15barrels]

That appears to allow just about anybody to drive a nuisance suit against the industry.

That whole part about "anybody can file a nuisance suit" is like passing a law saying that "you can breath air" as if you could not have breathed air before the law was passed.

People have always been able to file nuisance suits.
You can file a suit against anyone for anything and the clerk of the court will collect the filing fee and accept your filing.
It's what the court CHOOSES to do with the suit that matters.

In 2005, the PLCAA gave courts an easy way to decline to accept firearms manufacturer liability suits and those suits just because a waste of effort.
Ca's law is not going to somehow negate PLCAA.
Ca is simply picking at the PLCAA trying to find loopholes to exploit.

 

[Dvrjon]

That whole part about "anybody can file a nuisance suit" is like passing a law saying that "you can breath air" as if you could not have breathed air before the law was passed.

People have always been able to file nuisance suits.
You can file a suit against anyone for anything and the clerk of the court will collect the filing fee and accept your filing.
It's what the court CHOOSES to do with the suit that matters.

In 2005, the PLCAA gave courts an easy way to decline to accept firearms manufacturer liability suits and those suits just because a waste of effort.
Ca's law is not going to somehow negate PLCAA.
Ca is simply picking at the PLCAA trying to find loopholes to exploit.

Note I didn’t say they’d win…just that the vendor would be mired in a lawsuit for a substantial time. But, PLCAA provides no safe harbor.

For example:

In 2013, (8 years after PLCAA) the City of San Francisco sued four out-of-state vendors for importation of LCMs.


In 2017, the companies settled the suit brought by the City of San Francisco.

Also in 2017, the City sued more companies (Badger Mountain Supply, located in Washington; 7.62 Precision in Alaska; Shooters Plus, located in Mississippi; LAK Supply of Wyoming; and Buymilsurp.com, located in Florida.) on the same terms. And they settled: https://sfcityattorney.org/herrera-...lt-sale-high-capacity-ammo-repair-kits-state/

Four years in the grind for the first group and a few months for the second, and the PLCAA didn’t stop it.

This law invites individuals (as well as government) to file suit, carrying on the strategy implemented under SB 1327 in 2022, modeled after Texas’ abortion law which was upheld by SCOTUS. California became the first state allowing individuals to sue for damages from those spreading illegal weapons.

That creates a chilling effect on out-of-state vendors operating in this space as PLCAA has provided no shield in the past.

 

[Coolguy]

Note I didn’t say they’d win…just that the vendor would be mired in a lawsuit for a substantial time. But, PLCAA provides no safe harbor.

For example:

In 2013, (8 years after PLCAA) the City of San Francisco sued four out-of-state vendors for importation of LCMs.
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In 2017, the companies settled the suit brought by the City of San Francisco.

Also in 2017, the City sued more companies (Badger Mountain Supply, located in Washington; 7.62 Precision in Alaska; Shooters Plus, located in Mississippi; LAK Supply of Wyoming; and Buymilsurp.com, located in Florida.) on the same terms. And they settled: https://sfcityattorney.org/herrera-...lt-sale-high-capacity-ammo-repair-kits-state/

Four years in the grind for the first group and a few months for the second, and the PLCAA didn’t stop it.

This law invites individuals (as well as government) to file suit, carrying on the strategy implemented under SB 1327 in 2022, modeled after Texas’ abortion law which was upheld by SCOTUS. California became the first state allowing individuals to sue for damages from those spreading illegal weapons.

That creates a chilling effect on out-of-state vendors operating in this space as PLCAA has provided no shield in the past.

Copes ended up going out of business a couple of years later.

 

[Custodian]

And they laughed at me over on Glocktalk when I explained why I was buying up masses of spare parts for my G17.3.

At this point I've got spares for my spares.

Sam here, 18 years ago I remember hearing a professor on YouTube explaining how they were gonna chip away at the 2A until it was too late to do anything. Thought the years I kept all my glock parts and ordered replacement parts and even cloned a few. Friends and Family thought I was being paranoid, I just had pattern recognition.

 

[NedSled]

Sam here, 18 years ago I remember hearing a professor on YouTube explaining how they were gonna chip away at the 2A until it was too late to do anything. Thought the years I kept all my glock parts and ordered replacement parts and even cloned a few. Friends and Family thought I was being paranoid, I just had pattern recognition.

Yeah, I went so far as to buy a spare frame even. Basically, since I have an aftermarket optic mount slide with complete internals on my original Glock, and the original slide & internals sitting in a box, I basically have a spare Glock.

I figure if there is ever some TEOTWAWKI type of thing, I can put it together and stash it somewhere so I can have a cinematic "looking for THIS?" moment as I turn the tables on the cannibal biker gang that has taken over my house and is looking for the last 5 cup'o noodles on the planet to give to their mutant 3-armed medusa queen but I end up taking her as my bride where we commence to repopulate...

wait, what were we talking about?

 

[Dvrjon]

Yeah, I went so far as to buy a spare frame even. Basically, since I have an aftermarket optic mount slide with complete internals on my original Glock, and the original slide & internals sitting in a box, I basically have a spare Glock.

I figure if there is ever some TEOTWAWKI type of thing, I can put it together and stash it somewhere so I can have a cinematic "looking for THIS?" moment as I turn the tables on the cannibal biker gang that has taken over my house and is looking for the last 5 cup'o noodles on the planet to give to their mutant 3-armed medusa queen but I end up taking her as my bride where we commence to repopulate...

wait, what were we talking about?

Asking for a friend…can you say a little more about the internals and the three armed Medusa Queen?

PLEASE?

 

[OAK2LV]

This is alll part of Newsoms plan to get rid of guns completely. He has some twisted fantasy he calls L.A 2.0 that he is re inventing Los Angeles
No guns, No Gas Vehicles, citizens will taxed out of existence. This Bonta butthole has got to go as well, make sure you vote this little twerp out of office.
If you like your second amendment rights get rid of democrats in CA. Guns are our right!!! Not our privilege.

“This little twerp” good one JT