Question Good gun for carpal tunnel or hand pains

[Mil-Dot]

If you have malfunctions with every magazine, something is wrong... While there ARE some .22 pistols that are best used for malfunction drills, I have a representation of brands and models that are virtually flawless, ripping through mag after mag with solid accuracy and fast follow up shots. Know where to place your shots for maximum effect, regardless of caliber. Know which rounds meet the FBI standards for penetration (some .22lr rounds will). A gun isn't "magic", the skills and discipline of the user determine the results.


AS for reliability...
Sometimes there are "dud" rounds that won't fire no matter how good the firing pin strike is. ANY firearm can fail or otherwise malfunction, they are mechanical devices after all. I bought 2 guns from a guy that had somehow managed to bust both firing pins... fortunately the mfr was great about getting replacements to me, and the install was easy enough! Last range trip a old rifle "Elmer'd" and split the barrel wide open... no one hurt, but the rest of the session was looking at that "bloomin'" barrel.

If a gun is malfunctioning 1x/mag, some gunsmithing, experimenting with ammo, and perhaps more drastic measures (like checking for reviews to see if you got a gun with a bad reputation or a known issue that can be fixed!) are in order. If a mechanical device is not working as expected it should be repairable - if a gun doesn't "go bang" reliably and shoot accurately, get it fixed!

Please let me know which ones are because I have tried to shoot the Walther and glocks and usually ended of getting malfunctions constantly. They aren't mine so not sure how well maintained they are but they look clean enough to function. Just not impressed with the 3 or 4 times I tried them

 

[ChallengerScatPackClub]

How about FN Five Seven?

 

[Deleted member 16735]

the biggest strike against 22lr is that you just literally don't need to use it, every single other option will be superior whether that's a .38, a 9mm off hand, a PCC, a shotgun etc. Can it kill? sure, but that's not what the goal is in self defense. Self defense is about stopping a threat, and by every metric, 22lr is the worst of all the stated options here in stopping a threat quickly. The video I posted many pages back shows a cop getting manhandled after emptying an entire magazine into a guy, and the response from some was to say that see even larger calibers don't stop threats so why not use 22lr? Because we know that "stopping power" is a function of penetration and wound cavity size. The FBI report on 9mm found that 9mm functioned in that capacity very similarly to .45 or .40 cal with modern bullets and powders. 22lr isn't even in that conversation. The chances of ever using a firearm in self defense is very close to zero, it's likely most of us will never have to. But if you do, you want to use the absolute bare minimum? There's literally no reason to because there are other options. We don't (yet) live in a post apocalyptic world where we take what we can get, we can actually choose what we want to shoot, even in California.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

the biggest strike against 22lr is that you just literally don't need to use it, every single other option will be superior whether that's a .38, a 9mm off hand, a PCC, a shotgun etc. Can it kill? sure, but that's not what the goal is in self defense. Self defense is about stopping a threat, and by every metric, 22lr is the worst of all the stated options here in stopping a threat quickly. The video I posted many pages back shows a cop getting manhandled after emptying an entire magazine into a guy, and the response from some was to say that see even larger calibers don't stop threats so why not use 22lr? Because we know that "stopping power" is a function of penetration and wound cavity size. The FBI report on 9mm found that 9mm functioned in that capacity very similarly to .45 or .40 cal with modern bullets and powders. 22lr isn't even in that conversation. The chances of ever using a firearm in self defense is very close to zero, it's likely most of us will never have to. But if you do, you want to use the absolute bare minimum? There's literally no reason to because there are other options. We don't (yet) live in a post apocalyptic world where we take what we can get, we can actually choose what we want to shoot, even in California.

The caveat here is that the person in question has carpal tunnel and likely wants to train with a defensive weapon they can and will actually use.

My defense weapon is a 9mm for all of the reasons stated in this thread, but I don't have carpal tunnel syndrome.

 

[GoldensRule]

Accurized Ruger 22/45 with Volquartsen and Tandemkross components. 6" barrel. From Wojtek Weaponry.

Pic below with my SP-01.

Nice!!

 

[Deleted member 16735]

The caveat here is that the person in question has carpal tunnel and likely wants to train with a defensive weapon they can and will actually use.

My defense weapon is a 9mm for all of the reasons stated in this thread, but I don't have carpal tunnel syndrome.

everything I listed there has that in mind, they all have zero recoil to the wrist.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

Nice!!

Thanks! I love it.

 

[DB>)>]

Please let me know which ones are because I have tried to shoot the Walther and glocks and usually ended of getting malfunctions constantly. They aren't mine so not sure how well maintained they are but they look clean enough to function. Just not impressed with the 3 or 4 times I tried them

Well... there's your problem, or at least part of it. The little Walther has it's own "Bible" (spell book?!) and is well known to only like certain ammo! My wife hated hers, when I finally found an off roster Ruger SR22, I think she was about to toss the Walther in the nearest trash can... I was ordered to "just get rid of it". I had already tired of trying to find the magic spell required to make it run like a real gun....

I'm not familiar with the Glock, but I recall seeing more than a couple complaints about reliability with that one when it came out. Theres' the Sig Mosquito too....


As above, an SR22 will dump mag after mag of most ammo I've fed it, with the caveat that some brands of .22lr ammo have proven kinda fidgety...

The LCP II/.22 is a solid performer from my experience, still might benefit from a buff and polish, but shot 100% right out the box.

Even my pot metal, "Saturday Night Special" descendant, Phoenix HP22's (3 of them, with either barrel option, and for giggles I collected .25ACP conversion slide/barrel/mags when I want a REALLY underperforming round <wink>) run standard velocity ammo (per their manual, no HV) with no issues, although I know another owner that couldn't get hers to run reliably. The owner escaped California before I got a chance to see if my hunch of why it was unreliable was correct...

NAA Mini revolvers go bang on command in LR, and WMR if you want a little "kick".

10/22's? Got a "few" in various configurations, all run perfectly.

And to top it off, I've got .22WMR rifles and pistols that are dead nuts reliable, with significantly more "spice" than LR...


It's too bad you had a bad experience with "bad guns" that didn't shoot well, I've run across a few myself, and it does suck, especially if it was a gun you REALLY wanted to like, or at least have it work reliably... There's a lot of cheap fun to be had with a couple hundred .22 rounds downrange and a target with a big ragged hole... and yer paws and joints don't get beat up!

 

[DB>)>]

everything I listed there has that in mind, they all have zero recoil to the wrist.

Recoiless handguns and rifles huh? OK... Hope you patented that, because physics says: "NO". Rifles typically transfer most of the recoil to the shoulder, but can still transfer some of that energy to the hands. Soft recoil with thoughtful design yes, zero... nope.

Even .22LR has SOME recoil impulse. With a NAA Mini, your hand will DEFINITELY register the difference when you swap out the LR for a WMR cylinder, and neither is "zero".

I got a good deal on a Sig P238 from a guy who said it had "too much kick", and threw in some ammo... I'd already shot that model and it is pretty mellow, so his description baffled me... I shot some of the ammo I got in the deal, and it was clearly VERY hot reloaded (+P?) stuff, harsh in the 238, and positively brutal in a blowback Bersa .380. Sure .380 is sort of a baby 9mm with about half the recoil impulse, but recol free it is not.

9mm recoil can vary significantly depending on the gun and the ammo used, but again, you are going to have recoil - otherwise all the mods being used to mitigate recoil/muzzle rise (that IS putting force into the hand/wrist/elbow) are snake oil... It's basic physics action/reaction stuff with the devil in the details when dealing with well contained explosions in smallish mechanical devices.

The OP described carpal tunnel and pain in the hands. I've known people who suffered from that sort of condition, and ANY gripping action (like one would have to do with a rifle) can be intensely painful and in some cases radiate rather quickly up the arm... add the effect of highly controlled explosions from which the energy has to go SOMEWHERE, and you've got a potential to aggrivate or initiate a LOT of pain, particularly from repeated consistent motions such as those involved in target shooting. It's quite possible to imagine that one could develop entirely the wrong sort of "muscle memory" (AKA PAIN) by even one training session with the wrong firearm. There is NO benefit to be gained in introducing higher recoil impulse firearms that will result in pain to a new shooter. Building good habits and marksmanship with a .22 still builds those things, and we should hope will allow a new shooter to move up to more effective caliber firearm with the confidence that they can already put rounds on target reliably.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Recoiless handguns and rifles huh? OK... Hope you patented that, because physics says: "NO". Rifles typically transfer most of the recoil to the shoulder, but can still transfer some of that energy to the hands. Soft recoil with thoughtful design yes, zero... nope.

Even .22LR has SOME recoil impulse. With a NAA Mini, your hand will DEFINITELY register the difference when you swap out the LR for a WMR cylinder, and neither is "zero".

I got a good deal on a Sig P238 from a guy who said it had "too much kick", and threw in some ammo... I'd already shot that model and it is pretty mellow, so his description baffled me... I shot some of the ammo I got in the deal, and it was clearly VERY hot reloaded (+P?) stuff, harsh in the 238, and positively brutal in a blowback Bersa .380. Sure .380 is sort of a baby 9mm with about half the recoil impulse, but recol free it is not.

9mm recoil can vary significantly depending on the gun and the ammo used, but again, you are going to have recoil - otherwise all the mods being used to mitigate recoil/muzzle rise (that IS putting force into the hand/wrist/elbow) are snake oil... It's basic physics action/reaction stuff with the devil in the details when dealing with well contained explosions in smallish mechanical devices.

The OP described carpal tunnel and pain in the hands. I've known people who suffered from that sort of condition, and ANY gripping action (like one would have to do with a rifle) can be intensely painful and in some cases radiate rather quickly up the arm... add the effect of highly controlled explosions from which the energy has to go SOMEWHERE, and you've got a potential to aggrivate or initiate a LOT of pain, particularly from repeated consistent motions such as those involved in target shooting. It's quite possible to imagine that one could develop entirely the wrong sort of "muscle memory" (AKA PAIN) by even one training session with the wrong firearm. There is NO benefit to be gained in introducing higher recoil impulse firearms that will result in pain to a new shooter. Building good habits and marksmanship with a .22 still builds those things, and we should hope will allow a new shooter to move up to more effective caliber firearm with the confidence that they can already put rounds on target reliably.

Sir, if I say "zero recoil to the wrist" you know what I'm saying and none of what you are describing here is relevant