Question Good gun for carpal tunnel or hand pains

[Atomic Soldier]

M1 carbine, usgi. Mini 14

 

[recpark99]

Take her to the range and rent some guns that she can try out, then buy what she likes. My suggestion otherwise would be a 22lr polymer gun, lightweight and zero recoil. SIG 322, Ruger. Good luck.

 

[hollowman]

Take her to the range and rent some guns that she can try out, then buy what she likes. My suggestion otherwise would be a 22lr polymer gun, lightweight and zero recoil. SIG 322, Ruger. Good luck.

Thank you

 

[cobian1984]

Any .22 would be a soft shooter, or one of the heavy 9mm guns such as a CZ TS2.

I’m a big CZ fan myself, and I agree that she should be able to manage shooting the heavier 75 platform guns, but racking those slides would be murder with hand issues.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

22 isn't any good for self defense though, it's basically just a toy. And honestly 22 pistols jam like crazy. There are some that you can get to work reliably but it's harder to get together than other things. As far as PCC vs full on AR, the recoil is similar, you can tune it out of each one and I would even say my competition AR has less recoil than my delayed blowback AR9. An AR running rifle rounds will have more concussion though.

Did the OP mention home defense as an intended use? A .22 is good for plinking, general gun familiarity, learning how to clear a jam, and for fun. 9mm has more stopping power but a .22 can get a lot of rounds out quickly with little drama, noise, or recoil.

For a .22 that doesn't jam, keep it cleaned/lubed and use the best ammo. I use CCI Mini Mag round nose and they're great.

 

[Wolkenflieger]

I’m a big CZ fan myself, and I agree that she should be able to manage shooting the heavier 75 platform guns, but racking those slides would be murder with hand issues.

You're quite correct! An optic serves as a good handle along with keeping the slide cleaned and lubed for easy racking.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Did the OP mention home defense as an intended use? A .22 is good for plinking, general gun familiarity, learning how to clear a jam, and for fun. 9mm has more stopping power but a .22 can get a lot of rounds out quickly with little drama, noise, or recoil.

For a .22 that doesn't jam, keep it cleaned/lubed and use the best ammo. I use CCI Mini Mag round nose and they're great.

yeah he said it's for home defense, see post 8. I will admit though I am a 22LR hater lol. It has so little recoil I don't even think it's good for training because live fire is primarily about recoil control, everything else you can train in dry fire. It's not even good for hunting in CA because there aren't lead free options anymore because they didn't work. But obviously others disagree haha and I respect that.

 

[cobian1984]

You're quite correct! An optic serves as a good handle along with keeping the slide cleaned and lubed for easy racking.

Yep, that’s pretty much the way I go about it. I also have a TS Orange (first gen) with a frame mounted optic, and a slide racker is an absolute must on that one.

 

[Eatdirt]

22 isn't any good for self defense though, it's basically just a toy. And honestly 22 pistols jam like crazy. There are some that you can get to work reliably but it's harder to get together than other things.

Sir, I respectfully have to disagree with you on this one
I don't consider the .22 a toy , rather a Great training tool
Plus the cost of .22 ammo is nowhere near .45
Now as you said , some are jam-o- matics . What comes to mind is the Sig .22 mosquito
But a Good running name brand .22 is a Lot of Fun .

Now my wife Had the C.T. surgery werks ago And she really wanted to go with me to the range in Beaumont [ Good Place ]. So we made it a .22 day
Bought the Ruger 22/45 . Her Kimber that I put a .22 upper on .and a Glock 19 with .22 upper
She had a Great time and No wrist problem the next day

Like the saying goes ' Different strokes for Different Folks '

 

[cler1c]

I don’t have carpal tunnel but my wrists are always sore from the gym. I always tape my wrists when I go shooting and this makes the whole session pain free.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Sir, I respectfully have to disagree with you on this one
I don't consider the .22 a toy , rather a Great training tool
Plus the cost of .22 ammo is nowhere near .45
Now as you said , some are jam-o- matics . What comes to mind is the Sig .22 mosquito
But a Good running name brand .22 is a Lot of Fun .

Now my wife Had the C.T. surgery werks ago And she really wanted to go with me to the range in Beaumont [ Good Place ]. So we made it a .22 day
Bought the Ruger 22/45 . Her Kimber that I put a .22 upper on .and a Glock 19 with .22 upper
She had a Great time and No wrist problem the next day

Like the saying goes ' Different strokes for Different Folks '

Yeah people like different stuff and I respect that and no one said you can't have fun with it. my comment was about the context of self defense, in that context it's not useful and is a toy. However I don't think it's a good training tool as the main thing you need live fire for is to practice recoil control and you get none of that from 22lr. I can load 9mm for 15 cents a round for decent ammo and even cheaper for plinking, as 22lr is around 10c a shot or more, these days you don't even save money shooting it. But I'm glad you are having fun with it.

 

[DB>)>]

Let's be realistic, a bad guy isn't going to be asking what he got shot with... or likely sticking around to get shot more times (or even once) if they know they face someone prepared to defend themselves. And shot placement/accuracy is always paramount. A .22 that will allow rapid multiple shots on target with the right ammo is going to be effective. Keep in mind that more practice will build confidence in being accurate with a firearm as well. NO shooter that is just looking for home defense is going to "reload" ammo, but anyone can buy .22 pretty cheap, with "higher quality" ammo not terribly much more.

There are some .22 handguns that are best used for malfunction drills, but I've had no problems with Ruger SR22 or the little LCPII/.22 with any decent ammo. Add a laser, even a novice shooter should be confidently managing fairly tight groups at realistic defensive ranges. At that point, stepping up to a larger caliber would depend on the recoil sensitivity of the shooter.

Generally speaking a rifle will provide more punch, but as others pointed out the dang CA shark (grip) fin can make for awkward hand positions for a lot of the options out there. There is also the issue of maneuvering a 30"+ long rifle in a typical home environment vs. a handgun.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

Let's be realistic, a bad guy isn't going to be asking what he got shot with... or likely sticking around to get shot more times (or even once) if they know they face someone prepared to defend themselves. And shot placement/accuracy is always paramount. A .22 that will allow rapid multiple shots on target with the right ammo is going to be effective. Keep in mind that more practice will build confidence in being accurate with a firearm as well. NO shooter that is just looking for home defense is going to "reload" ammo, but anyone can buy .22 pretty cheap, with "higher quality" ammo not terribly much more.

There are some .22 handguns that are best used for malfunction drills, but I've had no problems with Ruger SR22 or the little LCPII/.22 with any decent ammo. Add a laser, even a novice shooter should be confidently managing fairly tight groups at realistic defensive ranges. At that point, stepping up to a larger caliber would depend on the recoil sensitivity of the shooter.

Generally speaking a rifle will provide more punch, but as others pointed out the dang CA shark (grip) fin can make for awkward hand positions for a lot of the options out there. There is also the issue of maneuvering a 30"+ long rifle in a typical home environment vs. a handgun.

I mean I gotta disagree on all of this. 22lr is a terrible round for self defense and could possibly get you killed when it doesn't stop a methed out attacker and they take the gun from you and use it the right way. If you are shooting a gun it needs to stop someone, they shouldn't be running away from anything. It's just really really bad advice to tell someone they can use 22lr for self defense.

Im not saying these folks need a rifle if they don't want one but I have dry fire targets all over my house and do practice stages all the time with a pcc and an AR and there's no issue with maneuverability, at all. And a fin grip is irrelevant because you don't steer the gun with your trigger hand you steer it with your support hand, if you are holding the rifle with your trigger hand you are doing it wrong.

 

[Deleted member 16735]

watch at your own risk

 

[sjb323]

Let's be realistic, a bad guy isn't going to be asking what he got shot with... or likely sticking around to get shot more times (or even once) if they know they face someone prepared to defend themselves. And shot placement/accuracy is always paramount. A .22 that will allow rapid multiple shots on target with the right ammo is going to be effective. Keep in mind that more practice will build confidence in being accurate with a firearm as well. NO shooter that is just looking for home defense is going to "reload" ammo, but anyone can buy .22 pretty cheap, with "higher quality" ammo not terribly much more.

More terrible internet advice. How much experience do you have shooting people with .22LR, or even seeing people who have been shot with a .22LR?

 

[Makoman]

A 9mm 1911. Being heavy for caliber, recoil feels like shooting one of my Walther .32's. Light and crisp trigger pull shouldn't cause any discomfort when pulling the trigger compared to say a DA revolver. But, it is a 1911 so she'll have to be committed to learning the intricacies of using the 1911, which can be intimidating for some, especially if they are new to guns.

 

[TheAverageShooter]

I don’t have carpal tunnel but my wrists are always sore from the gym. I always tape my wrists when I go shooting and this makes the whole session pain free.

It seems most people posting in this thread is missing the key point that the shooter has carpal tunnel. I had a mild case of it a while back and also just recovering from radial tunnel (forearm) in both cases with some therapy. Holding a handgun in front of you, not even shooting can vary from very uncomfortable to extremely painful, irrespective of caliber. Actually revolvers seemed to be the most tolerable to hold.

That is why a few of us suggested a PCC or rifle at the onset of the thread, as it is possible to handle it without pain. For home defense a PCC is likely a better option than an AR due to less concussion, especially for less experienced shooters. Shooting at an indoor range with ear pro a PCC is less of an an issue than even a handgun, while ARs and shotguns have a lot more concussion that can make the shooting experience intolerable for inexperienced shooters. Outdoor ranges are less of an issue.

The point in many cases is to get something that the shooter will be able to practice with and use effectively.

 

[GoldensRule]

my girlfriend has carpal tunnel and I wanted to know what fun would be good for her ?

Everyone who has recommended a .22 LR pistol is absolutely correct!

To back this up, the .22lr pistol is the most commonly used weapon for assassinations! Assassinations are usually an up close and personal situation, very much like the majority of home defense situations. If an assailant is far enough away where a .22 lr would be ineffective then he probably isn't even in your house and most certainly it's a better option for your family to flee instead of opting for an OK Coral style shoot-out.

In the late 1970's there was a string of mob assassinations, primarily of FBI informants and the victims were all killed with .22LR pistols. Mark Schorr wrote an article about these killing and the Central Intelligence Agency includes this as recommended reading for it's operatives, it is published on the CIA reading room website. Here is a link to an excerpt of the article on the CIA website: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88-01315R000300510002-4.pdf

Here is a short quote from that article:

"The .22 caliber bullet is the best one made," says Detective George Simmons, who has spent 27 of his 30 years as a New York cop assigned to the Ballistics Unit, which analyzes 20,000 guns a year. "The .22 utilizes all its power. It goes in and doesn't fly through. It bounces around inside the body like a rubber ball."

"In a sense, a 22 can do more damage," explains Dr. Michael Baden, New York City's chief medical examiner. "A .22 striking the chest and going. partly in and stopping expends all its energy in the body, whereas a .38 might go in and out of the body."

The .22's most appealing feature is its silenceability...... open the article for more

In addition to the above information, the .22 is substantially quieter than a 9mm and, if you have kids in the house, a .22 going off in a defensive situation can be substantially less traumatizing for the kids. Put a suppressor on it (not legal in CA) and it will be no louder than your average staple gun. A suppressed 9mm is still loud as balls.

One more point I'll mention is that all US special forces organizations make available .22 caliber pistols which are used extensively for neutralizing guard dogs and sentries.

Lastly, as to which specific firearm to buy for her, if she's anything like my wife, DO NOT CHOOSE FOR HER! ;-) . Take her to the range, take her to the store, let her feel each weapon in her hand and LET HER CHOOSE the one that feels the most comfortable. Keep in mind, the heavier the weapon the lighter the recoil, also, try and steer her towards the better, more reliable brands. Hope this helps.

PS. I personally believe the Walther P22 / 3.42" is an outstanding weapon at a bargain basement price. Let her try that one on for size. See: https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...tte-black-tenifer-pistol-101-rounds/p/1411363

 

[BubbaLa88]

Browing buckmarks are very little recoil but its a .22

I love mine and it is sooo accurate! And very easy to rack the gun and clear jams if you ever get one. Very rare. I had bad 22 ammo. 2 out of 10 was a misfire. Armscore is crap 22 ammo.

View attachment 84579

I second the buckmark. Easy to keep clean,open on two sides.

 

[sjb323]

Everyone who has recommended a .22 LR pistol is absolutely correct!

To back this up, the .22lr pistol is the most commonly used weapon for assassinations! Assassinations are usually an up close and personal situation, very much like the majority of home defense situations. If an assailant is far enough away where a .22 lr would be ineffective then he probably isn't even in your house and most certainly it's a better option for your family to flee instead of opting for an OK Coral style shoot-out.

In the late 1970's there was a string of mob assassinations, primarily of FBI informants and the victims were all killed with .22LR pistols. Mark Schorr wrote an article about these killing and the Central Intelligence Agency includes this as recommended reading for it's operatives, it is published on the CIA reading room website. Here is a link to an excerpt of the article on the CIA website: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP88-01315R000300510002-4.pdf

Here is a short quote from that article:



In addition to the above information, the .22 is substantially quieter than a 9mm and, if you have kids in the house, a .22 going off in a defensive situation can be substantially less traumatizing for the kids. Put a suppressor on it (not legal in CA) and it will be no louder than your average staple gun. A suppressed 9mm is still loud as balls.

One more point I'll mention is that all US special forces organizations make available .22 caliber pistols which are used extensively for neutralizing guard dogs and sentries.

Lastly, as to which specific firearm to buy for her, if she's anything like my wife, DO NOT CHOOSE FOR HER! ;-) . Take her to the range, take her to the store, let her feel each weapon in her hand and LET HER CHOOSE the one that feels the most comfortable. Keep in mind, the heavier the weapon the lighter the recoil, also, try and steer her towards the better, more reliable brands. Hope this helps.

PS. I personally believe the Walther P22 / 3.42" is an outstanding weapon at a bargain basement price. Let her try that one on for size. See: https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...tte-black-tenifer-pistol-101-rounds/p/1411363

Jesus... Someone should show that article to all the police and military agencies. Think of all the tax payer money that could be saved if they all switched over to the superior .22LR. Apparently, ballistics has not progressed at all since 1979 when that article was written. Seriously, basing your choice of self-defense pistol ammo off of that article is gross negligence.

.22 pistols are super fun to shoot. Leave it at that.