Hate gun roster, hmm how about tire roster?

[p--and--p]

the fact that someone here wants to "see the data" instead of realizing this will just drive up costs no matter what is insane. You have to have no brain cells left to understand that if over half of what is available now is no longer available the costs will go up alot. What about sports cars that I want sticky tires that aren't efficient? Where the hell is my choice on how to live my life? I want tires that last 10K miles because I will gladly buy new ones. You just go along with this tic crap and ask to see data- get the F out of here

 

[MarkH]

The resistance rating is based on physics and the savings of mpg is like 1-2 mpg. if a set of tires lasts 50k and you get 26 mpg vs 25 mpg you would use 78 less gallons of fuel which at 5 a gallon is 398 dollars savings. if you paid double for the Michelins vs the other tires the savings would be a wash but I would bet they weren't double. I don't think they should have jumped to a ban on low efficiency tires from the jump, I would rather see a rating system and incentives for fuel saving tires first. But no one in this thread has data to refute the concept either. incidentally Michelin supported this bill, I don't know if that's good or bad. But I'm not ready to get upset about the bill until I see data that makes me upset.

What RustVendor said.

 

[RustVendor]

the fact that someone here wants to "see the data" instead of realizing this will just drive up costs no matter what is insane. You have to have no brain cells left to understand that if over half of what is available now is no longer available the costs will go up alot. What about sports cars that I want sticky tires that aren't efficient? Where the hell is my choice on how to live my life? I want tires that last 10K miles because I will gladly buy new ones. You just go along with this tic crap and ask to see data- get the F out of here

the only available data says that costs will go down so you would have to have data that contradicts that. That's how reality works, it's not based in how you feel. If you have other data I would love to see it. I don't care about you driving a sports car like an absolute retard on the street and track tires are exempt.

 

[Gawernator]

Sounds like costs will rise to get on the approved roster?

 

[p--and--p]

the only available data says that costs will go down so you would have to have data that contradicts that. That's how reality works, it's not based in how you feel. If you have other data I would love to see it. I don't care about you driving a sports car like an absolute retard on the street and track tires are exempt.

the only data, are you living in reality? Why are you even on a gun forum if you are such a sucker for the gov. Tell me when have costs gone down. Tire companies already said the costs are going up, do you think taking away 70% of the choices people have will make things cheaper?

 

[p--and--p]

And its stupid to think you can just roll to reno or AZ... what happens when you get a flat tire? You can't get it replaced, are you just going to have multiple spares? The law is just going to screw us over and thats it. Like the guy said, he doesn't care about people who drive sports cars and their performance tires

 

[kemasa]

Most LRR tires have a 50-65k warranty just like the other tires. There is mention of safety in the regulations, you can read them yourself. Also, winter tires don't fall under this regulation.

There is a difference between winter tires and tires for year round use which works better in winter conditions.

 

[kemasa]

I can’t believe there’s still people who think CA government actually cares about anything except money.

You are wrong. CA government also cares about power and control, often that comes with money, but it isn't just about money. They have an agenda and it isn't just about getting all the money that they can.

 

[RustVendor]

There is a difference between winter tires and tires for year round use which works better in winter conditions.

the exemption covers "All-season winter performance tires" which presumably is the snowflake symbol tires, that's what I run all year anyway.

 

[RustVendor]

the only data, are you living in reality? Why are you even on a gun forum if you are such a sucker for the gov. Tell me when have costs gone down. Tire companies already said the costs are going up, do you think taking away 70% of the choices people have will make things cheaper?

why are you talking at all when you are just making things up?

 

[Gravel]

It's definitely being worked on, like I said it's tricky and still fairly expensive but it's definitely something we should be doing. And yes, agriculture is extremely important. There are some debates about which crops are in our best interest though, for instance the bulk of that imperial valley water from the Colorado is growing alfalfa which is then sold to foreign interests and exported. And that the exact moment where the "free market" fails to account for our domestic interests and why some regulations can be useful.

State Report Identifies Future Desalination Plants to Meet Statewide Water Reliability Goals

As California continues to adapt to the impacts of a changing climate, the State must work to identify future sources of safe, reliable water for all. This week, the Department of Water Resources (DWR) released a report identifying future planned desalination projects to help meet the brackish...

water.ca.gov

Sure, some regulations may be needed, but the state of California has far exceeded that threshold. A “tire roster” is a beautiful example..

If a technology is viable, people will always migrate to it. If it’s not, and the state forces it on us, it’s usually going to be a drain on the culture.

Generally, government involvement makes things more complicated, expensive and lower quality

 

[MK6M9]

the only available data says that costs will go down

yes, this is the tool used. this is always said for everything but then in reality it ALWAYS increases

 

[RustVendor]

Sure, some regulations may be needed, but the state of California has far exceeded that threshold. A “tire roster” is a beautiful example..

If a technology is viable, people will always migrate to it. If it’s not, and the state forces it on us, it’s usually going to be a drain on the culture.

Generally, government involvement makes things more complicated, expensive and lower quality

the tires already exist though it's not theoretical. Why would the cost of the thing that already exists go up? The LRR tires are already a "premium" tire and even at those prices there is a cost savings. If companies also produce lower cost ones to serve tha market the savings will be even more. I don't subscribe to overarching ideologies like "everything the government does is inefficient and bad" or conversely "everything the government does is good and requires no scrutiny". The truth is somewhere in the middle. There's plenty of examples of public utilities doing a better job, look at SMUD vs PG&E. PG&E is private and sucks balls. we would be better served to have them run like SMUD without a 3 million dollar CEO in service of our actual interests.

 

[dirty_monkey]

everyone is saying data. The politicians do see the data, the extra zeros in their kickbacks.

 

[RustVendor]

everyone is saying data. The politicians do see the data, the extra zeros in their kickbacks.

fun fact: I am wrong

 

[HibikiR]

fun fact: the bill that this is a result of passed in 2003 with bipartisan support and a Republican governor.

Let me Google that for you:

California Assembly Bill 844 (2003), authored by Assemblymember Joe Nation, passed the State Assembly on September 8, 2003, for concurrence in Senate amendments with 49 AYES and 30 NOES, ultimately leading to its signing into law by Governor Gray Davis.
Final Assembly Concurrence Vote (September 8, 2003)
Ayes (49): Primarily supported by Democrats and some Republicans, including Berg, Calderon, Chan, Corbett, Goldberg, Hancock, Kehoe, Leno, Lieber, Nation, Pavley, and Steinberg.
Noes (30): Largely opposed by Republican members, including Aghazarian, Bates, Benoit, Cogdill, Cox, Garcia, Harman, Haynes, Keene, La Malfa, Leslie, Maze, Mountjoy, and Runner.
Background and Context
The Mandate: AB 844 (Chapter 645, Statutes of 2003) instructed the California Energy Commission (CEC) to establish a Replacement Tire Efficiency Program.
Recent Developments: The 2003 law recently returned to focus after the CEC voted unanimously to finally implement these long-delayed efficiency standards for replacement tires.

Gray Davis was a Democrat. The support for the bill was largely Democrat. The opposition to the bill was largely Republican. Assuming all 30 Noes were Republican, that was 30 out 32 Republicans, meaning a miniscule 2 Republicans joining the Ayes is hardly the best representation of "bipartisan".

The CEC is composed of 5 unelected people that were picked by Gavin Newsom.

 

[irongunner]

Interviewer - "AB844 was passed more than 20 years ago. The California Energy Commission has never regulated tires until this moment essentially. What happened? Was it- like- how did this happen?"
California Energy Commissioner Nancy Skinner - "Well, we regulate hairdryers, TV, refrigerators... um... T- uh, all kinds of appliances, right. And tires are really not much different. So I think we've got some pretty good experience within our shop that does that."

edit: hold on I need to photoshop a tire being plugged into an outlet

 

[Gawernator]

Interviewer - "AB844 was passed more than 20 years ago. The California Energy Commission has never regulated tires until this moment essentially. What happened? Was it- like- how did this happen?"
California Energy Commissioner Nancy Skinner - "Well, we regulate hairdryers, TV, refrigerators... um... T- uh, all kinds of appliances, right. And tires are really not much different. So I think we've got some pretty good experience within our shop that does that."

edit: hold on I need to photoshop a tire being plugged into an outlet

It's crazy these people have power in our society

 

[RustVendor]

Let me Google that for you:



Gray Davis was a Democrat. The support for the bill was largely Democrat. The opposition to the bill was largely Republican. Assuming all 30 Noes were Republican, that was 30 out 32 Republicans, meaning a miniscule 2 Republicans joining the Ayes is hardly the best representation of "bipartisan".

The CEC is composed of 5 unelected people that were picked by Gavin Newsom.

you are right, I thought the recall was 2002, I couldn't find the voting record but did find republicans that had voted on it. Either way I don't know who would be getting "kickbacks" for environmental rules.

 

[HibikiR]

Based off of the composition of the CEC, probably not a Republican. Gavin Newsom's hand-picked 5 wouldn't do anything to support Republicans.