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Rost Martin R1MF comes to Califnoria

Is this for real?

This smells more of a “company in trouble” rather than a “evolve and grow”. They are known and favored for their warranty. Take that away and what do they have other than their “heros” slogan?
 
OMG! A manufacturer intentionally shrinking it's dealer network?

What kind of lunatics would eliminate low-volume stores, cut out discount chains that dilute brand value, reduce massive overhead support costs, and ensure remaining dealers had enough volume to stay highly profitable?

General Motors?
Mercedes-Benz?
John Deere?
Nike?
Apple?
Estée Lauder?

Yeah, network consolidation just doesn't work.
 
NukeRJ said:
Think about it. Reduce the number manufactured after cutting out dealers. Raise the price to cover operating costs plus profit and you do that year on year.
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I don't see anything indicating they will do that other than wild guesses. That would probably hurt them. Unless they are giving up competing against Kimber and Sig and going for the ultra high end only market..... which is again just conjecture
 
Gawernator said:
I don't see anything indicating they will do that other than wild guesses. That would probably hurt them. Unless they are giving up competing against Kimber and Sig and going for the ultra high end only market..... which is again just conjecture
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Yeah, I think its the opposite. I thought they were aggressively bidding for LE contracts which are high volume with significant discounts.
 
Can't help but wonder if this is a precursor to a sale of the company or if it's just a move to try and maintain their grip on the 2011 market which is quickly becoming saturated with offerings from many manufactures seeking to enter the game. Personally I think there's enough of a market to go around for all but Staccato has enjoyed great growth previous and may now feel itself being squeezed a bit by others seeking a "piece of the 2011 pie"
 
JamMan1213 said:
Can't help but wonder if this is a precursor to a sale of the company or if it's just a move to try and maintain their grip on the 2011 market which is quickly becoming saturated with offerings from many manufactures seeking to enter the game. Personally I think there's enough of a market to go around for all but Staccato has enjoyed great growth previous and may now feel itself being squeezed a bit by others seeking a "piece of the 2011 pie"
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Staccato as a company is the product of Nathan Horvath who is essentially a finance guy that bought STI and made it into Staccato. They have a brand new factory only a few years old and a rapidly expanding lineup. This growth was built into the brand and this is likely just a modern business tactic, the company can't just take what it gets it has to actively grow to be able to pay off the investment. Nothing like this ever results in a better product though, does it?
 
Well they must have a good reason for doing this and its based on competition. They aren't selling as many as they used to so they are trying to scrape off as much margin as they can by reducing distribution. I personally believe its a sign of trouble/desperation. Their chit is already super expensive. I'll never own a Staccato based on the price alone. So maybe this move works long term and they can sell less guns for more money to fewer customers. One thing is for sure, they are making their customer base even smaller in the face of more competition. Even less people will be able to buy their guns. Thats not exactly the best move as a market matures. And the 2011 market is maturing fast. Wouldnt be surprised if they are bankrupt this time next year.
 
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JamMan1213 said:
I do wanna say that I really enjoy my earlier Staccato purchase (singular) and have no regrets. This does not upset me to the point where I regret my buy. But it may affect future purchase considerations.
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I hope there are enough disgruntled owners that they start selling their Staccato's. Hopefully I'll be able to snatch up a few at heavily discounted prices.
 
if I really want a 2011, I'll probably get a Sig or Kimber. Pretty sure both of those will be in stores eventually. I'd rather have the Sig that uses P320 mags. Staccato can go to burning man and suck their own 🍆. Lol, effem.
 
Tere_Hanges said:
if I really want a 2011, I'll probably get a Sig or Kimber. Pretty sure both of those will be in stores eventually. I'd rather have the Sig that uses P320 mags.
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Yeah the mag compatibility is huge. That will save me hundreds and hundreds of dollars
 
Staccato also sells to a lot of LEO agencies doesn't it? Maybe they grew too fast and what they lose from small shops they make up for in city contracts?
 
The range safety officers at my local range tell me the Staccatos they have seen suffer significant reliability issues. A small data set to be sure, but that in combination with the company abruptly terminating relationships is not endearing the company to me.

If they want to consolidate dealer networks fine. At least give them time for to clear existing inventory. To abruptly dump business associates that have worked to help build the brand, to devalue their inventory by capricious fiat is selfish at best. Who's to say they won't treat their customers similarly, if it gives a boost to the profit margin?
 
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