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PSA: First Amendment Auditors

raellic said:
Yep, I had a day and night to think it over, and I'm maintaining my view that the world would be a better place if more people fought back by filming these whacked out lunatics and shaming them online. They are in the wrong here and I'm not going to surrender my right to peaceably argue with people just because I have a license to carry. We know who these guys are now, and I'm thinking about legal options. Draegers filing a restraining order is the next logical step.
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while i agree these guys are annoying losers - I also believe in picking and choosing my battles and ultimately id suggest you just carry on living your life and not feed into whatever those people are up too even if it does suck ass



edit: none of my credentials or background give that opinion any weight its just what i think
 
raellic said:
I was contacted by a reporter for a local news outlet who saw this thread, and I was told that these guys did, in fact, pepper spray someone yesterday in Menlo Park-- and it was after my video, which I took at 10:41 a.m. The outlet may end up using my video in the online article. No one was apparently arrested in the subsequent incident, so it appears these guys succeeded in goading someone else into being pepper sprayed. Funny that the officer didn't mention that later in the day when I made the formal report, even though he was the officer for that incident.

I do appreciate the (conflicting) advice-- it's a tough situation overall, I would just ask folks to keep in mind that having a video makes it easy for everyone to second-guess the interaction from the comfort of their own computer instead of being in the middle of a fluid, ambiguous, and unfamiliar situation. Also, I'm an easy punching bag because my real name, website, email, and raw video are on here and everybody has their idea of what a lawyer is or should do in any situation. I personally would rather be an idealist than indifferent, so that informs my world view. I still have zero regrets, though of course I don't want to run into these whacked out nuts again. I'm not going to not shop at my favorite grocery store because of these jerks, so we'll see whether they ever come back.
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its not that your cause isnt right or noble or just - but stepping back and avoiding the situation i dont believe is cowardly either



what these people are doing isnt right but lets say 💩 hits the fan with these people and you are involved I think it would be easy to argue that your (justified and righteous) insistence on repeatedly confronting these people could be seen as voluntary escalation and engagement - putting you in the position of the aggressor.


which is like their whole goal yknow, to create a situation thats technically legal for them to defend themselves. and how do you know they arent armed themselves?


you have better things to do with your life and better things to do with your time and people who love you; if youre going to continue to pursue legal retaliation or otherwise I would just advise you be smart and safe and make good decisions that dont endanger your life or put you in jail



regards,

Bellis
 
Thanks, all-- this is helpful and I appreciate your feedback. I've been in touch with some LEOs in the area about this, and apparently one guy from this crew has been filming at the courthouse, also. The Sheriff's deputy they started filming is actually a super polite, unbelievably nice guy, and they don't even have him in the video segment-- but this deputy's partner apparently went into a rage over this, and of course that made it on the video. Will have to find that one. Anyway, I'll post the article back here when it comes out-- there's no indicated time frame.
 
I firmly believe in the need to exercise our rights, but I've never encountered or seen footage of a "1A auditor" who didn't come across as an insufferable edgelord. I doubt any of them really believe in what they're doing, they're just trolling for lulz, content, and views.
 
These so called "First Amendment Auditors" are anti-social click bait ass clowns and you are either part of the problem or part of the solution. I appreciate how the OP reacted and commend his pursuit of the matter.

For the folks that criticize his approach it would be interesting to learn how you might handle matters if your elderly grandmother was harassed or maybe even pepper sprayed by these click bait ass clowns. Yeah, my grandmother was the type who might have boldly engaged them and who knows what might have gone down.
 
nakatomi said:
They’re not there to "audit" anything. They’re there to get a reaction.

The goal isn’t to be right. The goal is to get someone on camera losing their cool, stepping too close, saying the wrong thing or coming back for round two.

This is their product:
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This is how they do it:
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If you engage even calmly you’re giving them exactly what they showed up for. The more back-and-forth, the better the footage becomes.

That’s why this keeps happening. It works.

The only thing that actually kills it is when nothing happens.

The fact that this post exists gives them more traffic as this thread will blow up and everyone visits their Youtube (including me) :)
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Too many people letting these commies assault them and don't do anything because they're in a pack. Just like we saw in florida assaulting someone who may be armed might lead to someone getting shot. Just saying people should keep their hands to themselves. People besides commies have rights too.
 
back in my day a great method of getting back at folks you didn't like was to make a post on craiglist with their phone number saying you were giving something away (free wood always did the job)


its a shame that craigslist died
 
raellic said:
I was contacted by a reporter for a local news outlet who saw this thread, and I was told that these guys did, in fact, pepper spray someone yesterday in Menlo Park-- and it was after my video, which I took at 10:41 a.m. The outlet may end up using my video in the online article. No one was apparently arrested in the subsequent incident, so it appears these guys succeeded in goading someone else into being pepper sprayed. Funny that the officer didn't mention that later in the day when I made the formal report, even though he was the officer for that incident.

I do appreciate the (conflicting) advice-- it's a tough situation overall, I would just ask folks to keep in mind that having a video makes it easy for everyone to second-guess the interaction from the comfort of their own computer instead of being in the middle of a fluid, ambiguous, and unfamiliar situation. Also, I'm an easy punching bag because my real name, website, email, and raw video are on here and everybody has their idea of what a lawyer is or should do in any situation. I personally would rather be an idealist than indifferent, so that informs my world view. I still have zero regrets, though of course I don't want to run into these whacked out nuts again. I'm not going to not shop at my favorite grocery store because of these jerks, so we'll see whether they ever come back.
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Dude I 100% agree with you but my advice is that if you’re carrying, do not confront these idiots, walk away, do not engage, do not give them the content they’re looking for even if your autistic logical brain tells you you’re “in the right.”
 
weaverftw said:
Dude I 100% agree with you but my advice is that if you’re carrying, do not confront these idiots, walk away, do not engage, do not give them the content they’re looking for even if your autistic logical brain tells you you’re “in the right.”
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especially not after making all this public - if OP approaches them again and things escalated imo they could be considered the aggressor for going back
 
ShootFirstFirster said:
They literally put themselves online. What now?
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A lot of these 1A auditor types are basically basement antagonists. They are f*ckin losers with no W2 job and nothing on the line, often living off family or assistance (Medicaid and food stamps) so there is no real consequence you can hit them with. Their info is already public so doxxing does nothing.

Then you’ve got the entitled "Karen" side who completely lose it on camera. They scream, threaten lawsuits and TROs, try to retaliate and just hand over content.

Both sides are unhinged.

One side pokes for reactions with nothing to lose, the other side melts down every time.

That’s the whole engine behind it.

I think us doxxing them is beneath us. This is woke Reddit sh*t.
 
nakatomi said:
A lot of these 1A auditor types are basically basement antagonists. They are f*ckin losers with no W2 job and nothing on the line, often living off family or assistance (Medicaid and food stamps) so there is no real consequence you can hit them with. Their info is already public so doxxing does nothing.

Then you’ve got the entitled "Karen" side who completely lose it on camera. They scream, threaten lawsuits and TROs, try to retaliate and just hand over content.

Both sides are unhinged.

One side pokes for reactions with nothing to lose, the other side melts down every time.

That’s the whole engine behind it.

I think us doxxing them is beneath us. This is woke Reddit sh*t.
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was on board until you brought up "woke" but yeah fighting fire with gasoline wont put it out
 
nakatomi said:
A lot of these 1A auditor types are basically basement antagonists. They are f*ckin losers with no W2 job and nothing on the line, often living off family or assistance (Medicaid and food stamps) so there is no real consequence you can hit them with. Their info is already public so doxxing does nothing.

Then you’ve got the entitled "Karen" side who completely lose it on camera. They scream, threaten lawsuits and TROs, try to retaliate and just hand over content.

Both sides are unhinged.

One side pokes for reactions with nothing to lose, the other side melts down every time.

That’s the whole engine behind it.

I think us doxxing them is beneath us. This is woke Reddit sh*t.
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Please read my comments in this thread. I already know all this. It was kind of a rhetorical question. The OP is dragging this on way longer than it needs to be.
 
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