Good competition gun or?

[gunsgunsguns]

You can just get an M&P, Apex Trigger and an SRO. It will do the job better than some HK/Walther.

 

[Gawernator]

You can just get an M&P, Apex Trigger and an SRO. It will do the job better than some HK/Walther.

how dare u

Walther SF match eating that for lunch

 

[gunsgunsguns]

how dare u

Walther SF match eating that for lunch

Not the HD steel frame M&P with said upgrades which should be on roster soon.

 

[gunsgunsguns]

Don’t get me wrong I like the other guns, but if we are converting a Striker gun for competition it’s m&p or Glock. Especially with freedom week implications.

 

[FriedChickies]

This just hit the roster: https://hk-usa.com/product/vp9a1-l-mil/

If it's not a good competition gun what's the point of something like this?

It’s not a great competition gun. If you want to compete, shoot whatever you have now and see if you like the sport

 

[Brandon Breeze]

I'm actively shooting like 5 of my handguns and the others are on mothballs, rarely shoot either of my 1911's, never shoot the makaraov, shot my revolver like twice ever and idk where my .38spl even went, mainly focused on my 3 CCW's but I want the P211 lol... and now gotta try my sick P226 mod. Would be interesting to compete with my scorpion carry 1911 lol or even my PDP compact

I've seen many different guns at matches. Still have yet to see any H&K though for whatever reason. Seen a couple 226's, not many. Plenty of 1911's, though all 5" and plenty of PDP's. There's one guy that regularly competes with his Glock 43X in CO, with a Holosun 507k, which has a tiny little window compared to many of the more recent offerings. He just wants to get better with his carry piece.

I treat it more like a game, so I bring my game firearm(s). Those skills will transfer to your CCW and other pews, so I don't feel compelled to bring my CCW's at this point.

 

[doggman61]

I bought a VP9L and thought it was going to be my new Co hoe.
Couldn't shoot it for and just went back to a G17.
Insanely well built gun though.

 

[decius_mus]

To answer your question: no not really. and especially not that one. The VP9L has the heaviest slide (heavier than the Match). Also, to my knowledge, no VP9 is meta in CO.

Furthermore, the 20 round HK mags are ineligible in CO because they exceed the 140mm limit. So you're stuck with the 17 rounders and i'm not sure if anyone makes a baseplate that expands their capacity and are legal in CO.

If you just want a gun to do comp for fun then I suppose it's fine. You can use any gun for that purpose. But VP9s are not competitive if that's what you're asking.

 

[RustVendor]

To answer your question: no not really. and especially not that one. The VP9L has the heaviest slide (heavier than the Match). Also, to my knowledge, no VP9 is meta in CO.

Furthermore, the 20 round HK mags are ineligible in CO because they exceed the 140mm limit. So you're stuck with the 17 rounders and i'm not sure if anyone makes a baseplate that expands their capacity and are legal in CO.

If you just want a gun to do comp for fun then I suppose it's fine. You can use any gun for that purpose. But VP9s are not competitive if that's what you're asking.

I don't understand what you are saying here, it's absolutely as competitive as any other gun like a Glock or an M&P. They have a good trigger out of the box, they make brass grip panels which add 5 oz, tayor freelance makes 140mm extensions for the 17 round magazines. It's literally better than a Glock out of the box so if Glocks are competitive in CO then so is a VP9. They aren't super popular for USPSA but that doesn't mean they aren't as competitive as any other gun that you want to use and may even be better.

 

[decius_mus]

I don't understand what you are saying here, it's absolutely as competitive as any other gun like a Glock or an M&P. They have a good trigger out of the box, they make brass grip panels which add 5 oz, tayor freelance makes 140mm extensions for the 17 round magazines. It's literally better than a Glock out of the box so if Glocks are competitive in CO then so is a VP9. They aren't super popular for USPSA but that doesn't mean they aren't as competitive as any other gun that you want to use and may even be better.

They aren't competitive in the meta sense. The VP9 isn't popular because it doesn't have the aftermarket support of the other guns. Yes it has a nice trigger out of the box but that's it. The paddle mag release is a problem, holster support is lacking, aftermarket companies aren't exactly lining up to make parts for it. There has never been a season where the VP9 was meta as a result.

Whether or not a gun is better than a Glock out of the box has nothing to do with whether it's competitive in CO. As a said, if he just wants a gun to do comp for fun then he can use any gun for that purpose (including a VP9). For dudes who actually want to reach M or GM it's not competitive.

 

[doggman61]

All the things you would ever want for it are available. I literally bought most of them.
There is no reason you couldn't make GM with it.

For me I couldn't get over how much muzzle flip it had and the paddle mag release was just odd.
Spend enough time with it and don't platform hop like I do and it would be great for someone.
I just wasn't dedicated enough to it to spend the time with it.

 

[RustVendor]

They aren't competitive in the meta sense. The VP9 isn't popular because it doesn't have the aftermarket support of the other guns. Yes it has a nice trigger out of the box but that's it. The paddle mag release is a problem, holster support is lacking, aftermarket companies aren't exactly lining up to make parts for it. There has never been a season where the VP9 was meta as a result.

Whether or not a gun is better than a Glock out of the box has nothing to do with whether it's competitive in CO. As a said, if he just wants a gun to do comp for fun then he can use any gun for that purpose (including a VP9). For dudes who actually want to reach M or GM it's not competitive.

You are literally just talking nonsense, there is no "meta" for carry optics people do well with all kinds of stuff. If you look at the top ten at CO nationals this year it's a shadow 2 that won, a glock got second, a p320 third, a Beretta was in 4th. If you like the VP9 it's perfectly competitive and will be just as good as anything else. Tons of people use an M&P in carry optics but I don't think there's a single one in the top ten at nationals.

 

[Gawernator]

Back to my actual question in the OP lol if you're not going to do competition with a big full size or long slide gun then what's the point of having it

 

[decius_mus]

You are literally just talking nonsense, there is no "meta" for carry optics people do well with all kinds of stuff. If you look at the top ten at CO nationals this year it's a shadow 2 that won, a glock got second, a p320 third, a Beretta was in 4th. If you like the VP9 it's perfectly competitive and will be just as good as anything else. Tons of people use an M&P in carry optics but I don't think there's a single one in the top ten at nationals.

There is absolutely a meta for CO lol you mentioned some of the guns already. Shadow 2s, Glocks, M&Ps, even Walthers had their season. When you go to a match, how many people do you see with VP9s? I also didn't say a single thing about CO nationals. I said making M or GM in locals.

At this point you're just arguing just to argue.

 

[RustVendor]

There is absolutely a meta for CO lol you mentioned some of the guns already. Shadow 2s, Glocks, M&Ps, even Walthers had their season. When you go to a match, how many people do you see with VP9s? I also didn't say a single thing about CO nationals. I said making M or GM in locals.

At this point you're just arguing just to argue.

It literally doesn't matter if it's not popular or "meta", there absolutely are high level competitors like Tom Carlson that use a VP9L specifically. you can make GM with any gun that you like shooting if you are good enough to make GM. Popularity has absolutely nothing to do with it, that's and ad populum fallacy. I'm arguing because you are giving bad advice which is that you need a "meta" gun to do well in local or any competitions. If someone likes their vp9 it's as good as anything else.

 

[RustVendor]

Back to my actual question in the OP lol if you're not going to do competition with a big full size or long slide gun then what's the point of having it

I dunno what's the point of most guns like revolvers. I have no idea how the 5" vp9 shoots but the 5" m&p is noticible softer and flatter than the 4.25. a lot of people have guns just to shoot them, look at reddit 2011 sub almost none of those people compete but they have atlases and 10k-20k infinities just to collect them and probably can barely shoot

 

[decius_mus]

It literally doesn't matter if it's not popular or "meta", there absolutely are high level competitors like Tom Carlson that use a VP9L specifically. you can make GM with any gun that you like shooting if you are good enough to make GM. Popularity has absolutely nothing to do with it, that's and ad populum fallacy. I'm arguing because you are giving bad advice which is that you need a "meta" gun to do well in local or any competitions. If someone likes their vp9 it's as good as anything else.

I'm not giving any bad advice. You keep ignoring my primary claim that the gun is fine if someone wants to use it for fun. But it isn't meta. Like that's my entire point. When people make posts because they are looking for a competition gun no one suggests VP9. They suggest meta guns because those guns already have fully described build lists with aftermarket parts that were tested by the community.

I never once said "don't use the VP9 you already own for competition". That's absurd. My point is to not buy a VP9 for it. Especially not a VP9L which has a heavier but shorter slide than the VP9 Match.

 

[RustVendor]

I'm not giving any bad advice. You keep ignoring my primary claim that the gun is fine if someone wants to use it for fun. But it isn't meta. Like that's my entire point. When people make posts because they are looking for a competition gun no one suggests VP9. They suggest meta guns because those guns already have fully described build lists with aftermarket parts that were tested by the community.

I never once said "don't use the VP9 you already own for competition". That's absurd. My point is to not buy a VP9 for it. Especially not a VP9L which has a heavier but shorter slide than the VP9 Match.

Stop saying meta like it means something lol. The best advice for practical shooting is to shoot the gun you like. If someone told me to buy a Glock because it was the meta and I didn't know any better I would be pissed off because I hate almost everything about glocks. But to you that's acceptable. That's why it's bad advice because it all.comes down to personal preference. Some people prefer glocks some people prefer a VP9L. I would absolutely choose a VP9L over a glock

 

[decius_mus]

Stop saying meta like it means something lol. The best advice for practical shooting is to shoot the gun you like. If someone told me to buy a Glock because it was the meta and I didn't know any better I would be pissed off because I hate almost everything about glocks. But to you that's acceptable. That's why it's bad advice because it all.comes down to personal preference. Some people prefer glocks some people prefer a VP9L. I would absolutely choose a VP9L over a glock

Denying the existence of a meta doesn't make it not true. I've already explained to you what in means both theoretically and practically. I legitimately don't understand why you keep arguing with me over that distinction when we actually don't even disagree on the basic fact that people should run what they already own.

No handguns are personal preference. But if someone doesn't know any better and are asking what gun to buy for competition, that person is going to get a list of guns and VP9 won't be on that list. The list of guns is often referred to as the meta. Just like when people play call of duty or Destiny 2, the known effective guns with known builds that are broadly used are referred to as meta guns.

Recommending something off of a known good list is not bad advice. Good for you that you prefer a VP9L over a Glock. Recommending a VP9 to someone who wants to take competition seriously and they don't own it already is bad advice.

 

[RustVendor]

Denying the existence of a meta doesn't make it not true. I've already explained to you what in means both theoretically and practically. I legitimately don't understand why you keep arguing with me over that distinction when we actually don't even disagree on the basic fact that people should run what they already own.

No handguns are personal preference. But if someone doesn't know any better and are asking what gun to buy for competition, that person is going to get a list of guns and VP9 won't be on that list. The list of guns is often referred to as the meta. Just like when people play call of duty or Destiny 2, the known effective guns with known builds that are broadly used are referred to as meta guns.

Recommending something off of a known good list is not bad advice. Good for you that you prefer a VP9L over a Glock. Recommending a VP9 to someone who wants to take competition seriously and they don't own it already is bad advice.

In California it's cheaper than a Glock.