Illegal configuration .

[han_solo]

The other side will show you nothing more than this side. It is a centerfire with a fixed mag, but you cannot determine that by looking at it. It does not have a Bullet Button, nor have I ever even used the Bullet Button.

Additionally, there was a time period that you could register Bullet Button setups as RAW, so even if it did, it could still be 100% legal.

The point here is that you don't know everything (no one does), so you shouldn't go around telling people anything about their builds without asking questions first. Even then... it's not your place, especially since you can't even identify what's going on with this rifle. How many other things might you have missed on other peoples builds?

Then please , enlighten me . If for no other reason than i hate being wrong .

 

[han_solo]

Except that BBRAW's are supposed to have them if you follow the registration regulations instead of the actual law.

This is true ... I was referring solely to featureless or fixed mag configurations

 

[RickD427]

You mean a reg assault weapon.

A "Bullet Button Registered Assault Weapon (BBRAW)" is treated differently in the California Code of Regulations than is a "Registered Assault Weapon (RAW)"

They are not the same.

There may a good legal fight brewing on this point. As Mr. "AR15barrels" has correctly pointed out, the distinction between a "BBRAW" and a "RAW" does not exist in statute. It only exists in regulation, and regulations are supposed to flow from statutes.

But that battle ain't been fought yet, and the eventual winner is not yet known.

 

[H. Bowman]

The crowd here doesn't seem to realize there are a lot of us with a lot of RAWs

 

[han_solo]

The crowd here doesn't seem to realize there are a lot of us with a lot of RAWs

No thats just not what were talking about . No one is selling their raw here. .. lol

 

[han_solo]

The other side will show you nothing more than this side. It is a centerfire with a fixed mag, but you cannot determine that by looking at it. It does not have a Bullet Button, nor have I ever even used the Bullet Button.

Additionally, there was a time period that you could register Bullet Button setups as RAW, so even if it did, it could still be 100% legal.

The point here is that you don't know everything (no one does), so you shouldn't go around telling people anything about their builds without asking questions first. Even then... it's not your place, especially since you can't even identify what's going on with this rifle. How many other things might you have missed on other peoples builds?

So ... This not a BB ? I need to know ......

 

[AR15barrels]

This is true ... I was referring solely to featureless or fixed mag configurations

You did not state that earlier.

han_solo said:
You know that just having a bullet button on a rifle is illegal now right ?

 

[han_solo]

You did not state that earlier.

Correct . Now it is illegal . Unless its already been reg during the grace period . Just like 80% ers . Those days have passed. If claiming featureless with bullet button . Nope . Cant do it. This thread is about illegal configuration of current rifles . Great mental gymnastics tho .

 

[Brandon Breeze]

So ... This not a BB ? I need to know ......

No, that is a regular old mag release button, which cannot be pressed.

 

[han_solo]

No, that is a regular old mag release button, which cannot be pressed.

Thanks

 

[han_solo]

No, that is a regular old mag release button, which cannot be pressed.

Believe it or not . I am so happy about this ...
You got me . It does NOT happen often and i am overjoyed when it does. It means i still have some reading to do . Not a big fan of drill and tapping my stuff but . I do like a good ef you its featureless. . lol damn

 

[Brandon Breeze]

Believe it or not . I am so happy about this ...
You got me . It does NOT happen often and i am overjoyed when it does. It means i still have some reading to do . Not a big fan of drill and tapping my stuff but . I do like a good ef you its featureless. . lol damn

I have way too many builds to spend $100 more dollars on the next gadget that CA will simply ban. I started off my OLL's with epoxied mags, followed by the Prince 50 kit ($20), skipped the bullet button, but used the Raddlock ($30). When they banned the Bullet Button that left me already with a good bit of $ (more than anyone should have to) invested in going from Prince 50 to Raddlock, so I wanted to devise away of complying that is as inexpensive as possible. Some argue that the Prince 50 kit is still viable, but since it does not necessarily require "disassembly of the action" I don't really agree.

This, however is similar to the Prince 50, but since it's located inside of the Action, you have to disassemble the action to either load the mag from the top, or back out the screw to change the mag, with the action already disassembled. I just use them like the Prince 50, break action top loader unless I go to Free America. At that point it takes only a couple seconds to go back to how the rifle was intended to be, then when returning to Commifornistan only takes a few seconds to go back. All the while, no contraptions, no gimmicks and even now costs under $1 per set screw to outfit a new build.

I also have more builds that would "get" you , but I haven't shared those yet, lol.

 

[han_solo]

I have way too many builds to spend $100 more dollars on the next gadget that CA will simply ban. I started off my OLL's with epoxied mags, followed by the Prince 50 kit ($20), skipped the bullet button, but used the Raddlock ($30). When they banned the Bullet Button that left me already with a good bit of $ (more than anyone should have to) invested in going from Prince 50 to Raddlock, so I wanted to devise away of complying that is as inexpensive as possible. Some argue that the Prince 50 kit is still viable, but since it does not necessarily require "disassembly of the action" I don't really agree.

This, however is similar to the Prince 50, but since it's located inside of the Action, you have to disassemble the action to either load the mag from the top, or back out the screw to change the mag, with the action already disassembled. I just use them like the Prince 50, break action top loader unless I go to Free America. At that point it takes only a couple seconds to go back to how the rifle was intended to be, then when returning to Commifornistan only takes a few seconds to go back. All the while, no contraptions, no gimmicks and even now costs under $1 per set screw to outfit a new build.

I also have more builds that would "get" you , but I haven't shared those yet, lol.

Oh now i have to know .... Lol how dare you dangle a gun knowledge carrot ... Lol it seems the ingenuity of gunners knows no bounds

 

[HarleyLowRiderST]

Is it a dhic move to let people know when their firearm is in an illegal configuration . I see it quite often . I let a couple dudes know and both got angry about it . For me , if i was incriminating myself on the web id want to be pulled aside and told i was making a mistake before the MAN found out . What do yall think ?

Well OP if nothing else this thread is a real life example of “trying to point out what may or may not be legal. Flash hider vs comp vs brake, bullet buttons vs fixed mag vs std cap vs 10rnd, stocks vs grips, thumb webs, blah blah blah.

I bought another one of these at the local gun store awhile back. Was told by the employee and some “expert” customer, it was illegal. I told them thanks I didn’t know that and do you take cash?

 

[han_solo]

I have way too many builds to spend $100 more dollars on the next gadget that CA will simply ban. I started off my OLL's with epoxied mags, followed by the Prince 50 kit ($20), skipped the bullet button, but used the Raddlock ($30). When they banned the Bullet Button that left me already with a good bit of $ (more than anyone should have to) invested in going from Prince 50 to Raddlock, so I wanted to devise away of complying that is as inexpensive as possible. Some argue that the Prince 50 kit is still viable, but since it does not necessarily require "disassembly of the action" I don't really agree.

This, however is similar to the Prince 50, but since it's located inside of the Action, you have to disassemble the action to either load the mag from the top, or back out the screw to change the mag, with the action already disassembled. I just use them like the Prince 50, break action top loader unless I go to Free America. At that point it takes only a couple seconds to go back to how the rifle was intended to be, then when returning to Commifornistan only takes a few seconds to go back. All the while, no contraptions, no gimmicks and even now costs under $1 per set screw to outfit a new build.

I also have more builds that would "get" you , but I haven't shared those yet, lol.

One question . How do you address a bolt override type III malfunction with that setup ?
Paint key ?

 

[ssaba65]

" there's something you don't see everyday... can I try "?

 

[Brandon Breeze]

Oh now i have to know .... Lol how dare you dangle a gun knowledge carrot ... Lol it seems the ingenuity of gunners knows no bounds

I'll make those videos eventually. Try to stay away from the gray area stuff on my channel simply because I'm here in CA and don't have the following like @Renomay, which may or may not come with folks supporting pushing the envelope. I'm just one guy, sharing some of my thoughts, opinions and knowledge I've gained over the years. By no means do I know anywhere close to everything in this space.

One question . How do you address a bolt override type III malfunction with that setup ?
Paint key ?

My builds are so fantastic that they never malfunction! J/K, or course.

That is a fantastic time to practice a transition to secondary! Which, while in CA that's what I would do.

Clearing malfunctions are typically a relatively large PITA with this setup and usually require careful use of tools like pliers and screwdrivers. If I'm lucky I can simply remove the upper from the lower then clear out whatever is going on. If not I could be poking around at it awhile. So the answer is transition, then NY reload if necessary, lol.

These days, I went old school, before the OLL days and have been running my Mini's or SU-16's. Overall just a much easier time.

I refuse to build in the muscle memory of the other gadgets used to break the action, push the button, close the action etc.

This is why going to Free America is much more useful for drills/training/classes. Fortunately we have friends not far across the border in neighboring states as well as family that we can go stay on property.

 

[CybeRise]

Unless you are an actual Lawyer... Don't be a keyboard lawyer. Unless its someone you know and you are going to go to the range or something then that may be something you discuss with them as you don't want to be associated with an illegal configuration. Other than that as someone said MYOB.

 

[ZeroFoxGiven]

Well OP if nothing else this thread is a real life example of “trying to point out what may or may not be legal. Flash hider vs comp vs brake, bullet buttons vs fixed mag vs std cap vs 10rnd, stocks vs grips, thumb webs, blah blah blah.

I bought another one of these at the local gun store awhile back. Was told by the employee and some “expert” customer, it was illegal. I told them thanks I didn’t know that and do you take cash?

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Linear comps are a must for me if I'm mostly using indoor ranges, especially on pistol length barrels.

 

[TheRatDragon]

And yet you still wouldn't have any clue. If you came whining to me because I was shooting my registered SP1 with detachable 30 round mags, flash hider, and pistol grip, and then continued to complain to me because I was shooting my also registered Browning 1919 and had it on a tripod next to my ALSO properly papered Serbu super shorty, I'd laugh in your face and offend you with the things I'd say while scoffing.

Hell, there's even quite a few private people in California who lawfully own, possess, and use suppressors. Are you going to confront them about their tax situation also? It's none of your business if the items are not being used in a malicious way. Just go about your day, it doesn't concern you.

Ooh, fellow Serbu Super Shorty owner! I've taken my Serbu Super Shorty to the range and I've actually had people come and try to argue with me about how it's illegal since it "looks" like an SBS and then I kindly remind them that it is not an SBS but an AOW and I have the proper tax stamp for it. One time, this guy was shooting about two or three lanes to my right and everyone is coming to look at me shooting my Super Shorty and asking to shoot it and I guess maybe he got annoyed so he started with me and then when I kindly explained to him the law and told him to look it up, he went and got the Range Officer to come over and the RO goes, ""So what? It's none of our business what he shoots. We're not the police. We have people come with tax stamp items all the time and if he says he has a tax stamp for the item and I believe him by the way, what business is it of yours?" I wanted to laugh so badly but the guy just went back to his lane all dejected and sh*t. He left about 15 minutes or later just giving me this massive stink eye while walking past.

Yeah, I could've been rude and told him to f*ck off but I didn't feel like being rude that day, especially at my main shooting range.