Illegal configuration .

[Joker67]

Democrats are looking for reasons to shut down gun clubs, shut down social media that allow criticism of orthodoxy and shut down anything to do with guns.

In the public sphere , we have to go through the motions of maintaining appearances. What goes on behind closed doors is no one’s business but keep it behind closed doors.

In my limited experience, what LE does and says in public and private are different. They could lose a career.

Keep it off the boards. Avoid public ranges if you have better options. In public , maintain appearances and don’t cause a problem that would give the California government a reason to shut down a club or shut down this site. That’s the reality.

 

[ar15robert]

When I lived in ca I hated going to an outdoor public range with my ar15. It was a RAW. Sometimes someone newer to firearms would see me drop a mag and ask do I know its an illegal aw

 

[FunGun]

I have let a guy know that he wasn't allowed to have a flash hider on his M14. He thought that because the M14 didn't have a pistol grip that the assault weapon rules didn't apply to his gun. There was a guy that got busted at LAX about ten years ago for having a flash hider on his M14 so it is possible to get busted for it.

 

[Librarian]

I can see two sides of it.

First, is that people are often mistaken when they think something is illegally configured or they just dont know the law well enough.

Second, if you mean well and you are 100% sure something could get somebody in trouble then why not try to help them? I would want somebody to let me know if there was something I was doing that could get me in trouble so I could stop doing it and fix it.

A recent example is a guy came up to me when I was shooting a featureless AR and said I couldnt have a flashhider. But I had a muzzle brake with a rather large chamber. It was very obviously a brake and could never be mistaken for a flashhider. He didnt know what the difference was. Turns out he thought all muzzle devices were just "flashhiders". He was completely ignorant of what a flashhider is.

Muzzle devices are a horrible example.

So far as I can tell, if the advertising/sales materials mention any kind of flash reduction, count on that being called a flash hider.

If no materials document the reduction, could still be called a flash hider. I know of no standards that clearly distinguish the functions that have been used in defense or prosecution on the point.

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Yes. No one likes hall monitors — especially those with an “If they get upset then that's on them” attitude. Let the RSOs deal with it if it’s really an issue. People are not as ignorant as you seem to think they are, and they don’t need self-appointed legal experts with a nanny complex taking it upon themselves to “educate” them. You are free to configure your own guns however you want, but as far as anyone else is concerned, do us all a favor and mind your own business.

I would never try to point out any firearm that is (a) illegal, or (b) not configured correctly, unless I was specifically asked. It’s like those “you are becoming your parents” commercials.

“Hey buddy your AR 15 is not exactly legal. Also your stance is all wrong, not to mention your grip. Shallow breath and hold. Here let me show you” lol

Now I have pointed out to ROs people being stupid or dangerous at the range. To me that is not a Karen/Ken/Snitch, since it’s a safety issue. Come to think of it, I’m not sure I have ever actually spoken to anyone near me at the range.

An NRA certified RSO’s job (whether paid or volunteer) is to enforce safety; not question/accuse/correct/prohibit a patrons legality, or the other subject that’s been discussed.

Each and every range/event has their own SOP’s. There can be RSO discretion, as long as it does not directly violate the SOP’s.

RSO’s do definitely appreciate it when they are notified of someone being unsafe or even straight up dangerous, as sometimes when it’s really busy, not every thing is always caught; I.e. no muzzle/trigger discipline, can’t hit the target even though they are trying but continuously damaging range property (can’t hit the broadside of the barn but keeps damaging the fence), flagging next door neighbor, or even a ballerina 360 on other people’s guests behind them when an malfunction occurs , for outdoor range: walking up to bench that has firearms during a ceasefire while others are down range changing targets, and etc.

 

[RickD427]

Muzzle devices are a horrible example.

So far as I can tell, if the advertising/sales materials mention any kind of flash reduction, count on that being called a flash hider.

If no materials document the reduction, could still be called a flash hider. I know of no standards that clearly distinguish the functions that have been used in defense or prosecution on the point.

Please see 11CCR5471 for the governing standards. Here is the text relative to Flash Suppressors (quoted from 11CCR5471(r)):

"Flash suppressor” means any device attached to the end of the barrel, that is designed, intended, or functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision. A hybrid device that has either advertised flash suppressing properties or functionally has flash suppressing properties would be deemed a flash suppressor. A device labeled or identified by its manufacturer as a flash hider would be deemed a flash suppressor."

It really doesn't matter what the manufacturer calls it, or doesn't call it. The key test is whether the device perceptibly reduces or redirects the muzzle flash.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

Muzzle devices are a horrible example.

So far as I can tell, if the advertising/sales materials mention any kind of flash reduction, count on that being called a flash hider.

If no materials document the reduction, could still be called a flash hider. I know of no standards that clearly distinguish the functions that have been used in defense or prosecution on the point.

Its a great example, because I was talking about someone who is completely ignorant of all muzzle devices to the point that they just think they are all a "flashhider". They cant tell the difference between this and an A2 flashhider. They think they are the same.

 

[RickD427]

Its a great example, because I was talking about someone who is completely ignorant of all muzzle devices to the point that they just think they are all a "flashhider". They cant tell the difference between this and an A2 flashhider. They think they are the same.

The Muzzle Brake in your photo may very well be a "Flash Suppressor" under California's definition.

I get that your device was manufactured only as a brake, and that it vents gasses through the side ports in order to reduce perceived recoil, but note that it has a solid band at the top. That band would likely have the effect of directing flash to the sides of the barrel, and reducing flash above the barrel. Since the shooter's path of vision is along the top of the barrel, I would expect that it would "perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision" and therefore would be a California Flash Suppressor, even though it's design never intended for it to be one. Please note that California's definition uses the comma as the conjunctive between "designed", "intended", "or functions" meaning that only one of the three must be satisfied. If the Muzzle Brake functions to reduce flash, then it don't matter what the design or intent was.

 

[Tere_Hanges]

The Muzzle Brake in your photo may very well be a "Flash Suppressor" under California's definition.

I get that your device was manufactured only as a brake, and that it vents gasses through the side ports in order to reduce perceived recoil, but note that it has a solid band at the top. That band would likely have the effect of directing flash to the sides of the barrel, and reducing flash above the barrel. Since the shooter's path of vision is along the top of the barrel, I would expect that it would "perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision" and therefore would be a California Flash Suppressor, even though it's design never intended for it to be one. Please note that California's definition uses the comma as the conjunctive between "designed", "intended", "or functions" meaning that only one of the three must be satisfied. If the Muzzle Brake functions to reduce flash, then it don't matter what the design or intent was.

That's the bottom of the brake. The top has holes to vent gas as well. So no, it doesn't deflect flash. Do you not know what a brake is/looks like?

 

[han_solo]

I think you are being a good guy, especially if you come across someone advertising for sale an "assault weapon" or other configuration of weapon that really raises red flag with law enforcement in California. I suspect you contacted these people privately, in a diplomatic fashion and let them know:

"Hey guy, were you aware that California Law enforcement monitors social media (I consider this site to be social media) for photos of illegal configurations (e.g., rifles with high-capacity magazines and prohibited attachments), which can lead to search warrants and arrests? It's your business and you can do what you want but I would hate to see a fellow enthusiast get arrested and charged."

Or something like that. I have seen several people advertising, here, improperly configured rifles that would qualify them as assault weapons and the adverts had been up for a couple of months. It's not a big deal for law enforcement to determine Ikeo's identity and serve him with identity seeking subpoena or just lure the advertiser into selling them the weapon and make an arrest when the owner shows up for the PPT.

Bottom line even if the person resents being told, you are still doing them a huge solid!

Yup thats exactly it . Im never a dhic or a karen about it . My only fear is a fellow 2a brother getting popped . I have 1 friend ill never get to see again from some similar 2a social media posts . Not to mention merica ... Know what i mean . Guns are our national identity .

 

[han_solo]

How about this setup?

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Without seeing the other side . Its either a fixed mag or .22 conversion . I saw this rifle in your video . Looked like i had a bullet button . You know that just having a bullet button on a rifle is illegal now right ?

 

[2muchsoysauce4allthisrice]

Without seeing the other side . Its either a fixed mag or .22 conversion . I saw this rifle in your video . Looked like i had a bullet button . You know that just having a bullet button on a rifle is illegal now right ?

Hogue or maglatch can also be a little harder to identify based on pictures…

 

[han_solo]

Fixed magazine, 10/30 mag (blocked/epoxied & riveted), Fake can (slip on), 16" barrel, fixed stock. It's overly compliant.

Again, you don't know what you don't know. Many ways to achieve compliance are hardly visual, if at all anymore.

If its a bullet button you are hosed .

 

[Tere_Hanges]

If its a bullet button you are hosed .

Not if its a BBRAW.

 

[r8rs4lf]

Can we just go back to the way it was? Live and let live!

Unless asked, I tend to mind my own business.

But I do sometimes get a laugh listening to these clowns in Turners that walk around talking to everyone wanting to know what they are purchasing and then talk about it. These same clowns always seem to be the loudest in the store as well.

 

[H. Bowman]

Yup thats exactly it . Im never a dhic or a karen about it . My only fear is a fellow 2a brother getting popped . I have 1 friend ill never get to see again from some similar 2a social media posts . Not to mention merica ... Know what i mean . Guns are out national identity .

I find it hard, but not impossible, to believe that someone got locked up for life over a first-time gun offense spotted on social media. I bet there was a lot more going on with the situation. Unless "never get to see again" means they are deceased. :/

 

[GunZKK]

Is it a dhic move to let people know when their firearm is in an illegal configuration . I see it quite often . I let a couple dudes know and both got angry about it . For me , if i was incriminating myself on the web id want to be pulled aside and told i was making a mistake before the MAN found out . What do yall think ?

I would only talk about stuff like that to people I know. To complete strangers I would mind my business. Not my place.

 

[Brandon Breeze]

Without seeing the other side . Its either a fixed mag or .22 conversion . I saw this rifle in your video . Looked like i had a bullet button . You know that just having a bullet button on a rifle is illegal now right ?

The other side will show you nothing more than this side. It is a centerfire with a fixed mag, but you cannot determine that by looking at it. It does not have a Bullet Button, nor have I ever even used the Bullet Button.

Additionally, there was a time period that you could register Bullet Button setups as RAW, so even if it did, it could still be 100% legal.

The point here is that you don't know everything (no one does), so you shouldn't go around telling people anything about their builds without asking questions first. Even then... it's not your place, especially since you can't even identify what's going on with this rifle. How many other things might you have missed on other peoples builds?

 

[AR15barrels]

You know that just having a bullet button on a rifle is illegal now right ?

Except that BBRAW's are supposed to have them if you follow the registration regulations instead of the actual law.

 

[han_solo]

Not if its a BBRAW.

You mean a reg assault weapon.