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Rost Martin R1MF comes to Califnoria

Mag Disconnect - do you just accept it?

I left it in for the M&P2 since it doesnt affect the mags dropping. I removed them from the Echelon because it would cause mags to stick.
 
RocketF22 said:
I feel like this argument about a gun grab can go either way actually. If said attacker gets hold of your gun in a scuffle and theres one in the chamber and mag out, they can't shoot you with your own gun. I think (not 100% sure) that was the reasoning behind cali putting the MD in. I think an officer had his gun taken and shot with it. Still doesnt make sense since PD doesnt have Mag Disconnects.

Just my cents
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Some history:

The magazine disconnect requirement came from SB 489 (2003). It wasn't pitched to the Legislature as a crime reduction measure or a way to reduce gun ownership. (of course) It was sold as a consumer safety feature intended to prevent a specific type of negligent discharge: someone removes the magazine, mistakenly believes the pistol is unloaded, forgets there's still a round in the chamber, and pulls the trigger.

The evidence presented wasn't especially robust. The bill relied largely on a 1997 Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research/NORC survey reporting that about 35% of adults either didn't know or incorrectly believed a semiautomatic pistol couldn't fire after the magazine was removed, and a 1999 Johns Hopkins report characterizing magazine disconnects as inexpensive and effective safety devices. Interestingly, the bill analysis also acknowledged there was "no statistical data at this time about how many deaths the devices could prevent."

The primary support came from public health and gun-violence prevention organizations—not from firearm manufacturers, design engineers, or nationally recognized firearms training organizations. The bill's sponsor was the Violence Prevention Coalition of Greater Los Angeles, and supporters included the California Medical Association, California Chapters of the American Academy of Pediatrics, California Psychiatric Association, California Public Health Association–North, California Trauma Foundation, Children's Advocacy Institute, and numerous local hospitals and violence-prevention groups.

What's interesting is that, more than 20 years later, I'm still not aware of any published California analysis demonstrating that the requirement measurably reduced the specific type of accidental discharge it was intended to address. California tracks overall accidental firearm injuries and deaths, but that data doesn't identify whether a firearm had a magazine disconnect, whether the magazine had been removed, or whether a disconnect would have prevented the incident. Without that information, it's impossible to isolate the effect of the requirement itself.

Reasonable people can disagree on whether the feature is worthwhile. But from what I've found, the Legislature adopted it largely because it was believed to improve safety—not because there was empirical evidence demonstrating that it had. If anyone knows of a study showing otherwise, I'd genuinely be interested in reading it.
 
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The LCI and Mag Disconnect features were added to the roster requirements (along with microstamping) because the California government looked at us and basically said “because F- you, that’s why”. Paraphrasing, of course..

Microstamping will come back again in the next couple years, with the same reasoning.

Anyway, so far the mag disconnect hasn’t caused me any problems so I’m going to keep an eye on mine and see if it’s a durable system. Same with the LCI.
 
Gravel said:
The LCI and Mag Disconnect features were added to the roster requirements (along with microstamping) because the California government looked at us and basically said “because F- you, that’s why”. Paraphrasing, of course..

Microstamping will come back again in the next couple years, with the same reasoning.

Anyway, so far the mag disconnect hasn’t caused me any problems so I’m going to keep an eye on mine and see if it’s a durable system. Same with the LCI.
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I think it’s 2028 before micro stamping will impact the Roster. Buy while you can.
 
sonofeugene said:
I would never trust an LCI. I will always check visually. Don’t like them. Don’t have any.
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I agree, but my daughter is getting into guns and I just bought her a Bodyguard 2.0 CA (I have the off-roster version) and until she's comfortable I'm planning on leaving it in.

Waddaya think?
 
Sheepdog1968 said:
I have just accepted it. In the Sig P226 lineup, when Sig changed from the short to long extractor that forced Sig to put an LCI and mag disconnect on new P226 models shown in CA. I didn’t want that on my P226 so I just kept looking for a used one without. Wasn’t too hard to find and paid $600 for it and a local gun store.
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doesn't that mean you didn't accept it?
 
cali_jazz said:
I agree, but my daughter is getting into guns and I just bought her a Bodyguard 2.0 CA (I have the off-roster version) and until she's comfortable I'm planning on leaving it in.

Waddaya think?
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There's only one way to check if it's clear and thats to look in the chamber. I think it's dangerous to look at an exterior feature to tell you if it's safe to dry fire a gun or not.
 
RustVendor said:
There's only one way to check if it's clear and thats to look in the chamber. I think it's dangerous to look at an exterior feature to tell you if it's safe to dry fire a gun or not.
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I'm talking about the MD not the LCI. 1000% agree on press check, especially since I've almost pulled the trigger on a gun in my safe but caught myself. Sure enough there it was in the chamber! Heart skipped a few
 
cali_jazz said:
I'm talking about the MD not the LCI. 1000% agree on press check, especially since I've almost pulled the trigger on a gun in my safe but caught myself. Sure enough there it was in the chamber! Heart skipped a few
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oh ok, the comment you replied to was about LCI, yeah the MD is fine in that circumstance, could still be used as a crutch hypothetically if someone learns that "guns don't fire without magazines" I guess but that's a stretch and I'm sure you are instilling better habits than that
 
Gravel said:
The LCI and Mag Disconnect features were added to the roster requirements (along with microstamping) because the California government looked at us and basically said “because F- you, that’s why”. Paraphrasing, of course..

Microstamping will come back again in the next couple years, with the same reasoning.

Anyway, so far the mag disconnect hasn’t caused me any problems so I’m going to keep an eye on mine and see if it’s a durable system. Same with the LCI.
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Am I imagining things, or did you include a thinly veiled 'Smut Peddlers' reference in this post?
 
I have several classic (Swiss-made) Sig P210s. They were built in the 50s and 60s, and are one of the "holy grail" pistols. They all have a mag disconnect. I leave it in, it doesn't get in the way, doesn't make the trigger worse, doesn't cause the mags to hang up (they are pretty hard to remove anyway, with a heel release).

The Swiss know what they're doing. Unlike many California gun people, who are driven by emotions.
 
treelogger said:
I have several classic (Swiss-made) Sig P210s. They were built in the 50s and 60s, and are one of the "holy grail" pistols. They all have a mag disconnect. I leave it in, it doesn't get in the way, doesn't make the trigger worse, doesn't cause the mags to hang up (they are pretty hard to remove anyway, with a heel release).

The Swiss know what they're doing. Unlike many California gun people, who are driven by emotions.
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That's why they didn't win two world wars. They did na-zi it coming
 
cali_jazz said:
I agree, but my daughter is getting into guns and I just bought her a Bodyguard 2.0 CA (I have the off-roster version) and until she's comfortable I'm planning on leaving it in.

Waddaya think?
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Doesn't hurt to have the extra safety. Some guns have obnoxious LCI, I like how HK does it with a small red line of paint on the extractor on the P2sk, and walther has the pop up on top but it's small and I can't see it anyways with an optic behind it
 
M_N04H said:
Sometimes it's ok to leave it as is. Oftentimes people are just looking to spend money. Stock IS ok.

Edit: just referring to the trigger
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If you shoot competitions, it's almost required that you have it removed. Once you're done shooting a stage, you have to remove the mag, show a clear weapon, pull the trigger and then reholster. With the mag disconnect you have to remove the loaded mag first, then have an empty mag handy so you can reinsert it to pull the trigger for the RSO. It's a huge pain the ass. If you're just a weekend warrior at the range or keep it for self defense, then it's fine to leave stock. He wants to shoot it in comps, so it makes it really cumbersome.
 
Gravel said:
lol, I forgot about the band, I was thinking it came across as a character slur towards the CA Gov.
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All good. Kind of an obscure band, which would have made the song reference also obscure. I'm always on the look out for old school punks. 😅
 
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