Kimber 2K11 California Updates?

[SilverEndless]

What is better with the Atlas

They’re pretty much the peak of dollar to gun ratio. You get exactly what you pay for.

Here’s Uncle Ben with some practical 2011 reviews. No fluff.

 

[jkcerda]

2k11 is a really nice pistol but most people are shilling. Its not an atlas but for the price its not a bad option. GTO or some thin g that takes glock mags would be a better option

hoping GTO or P211 makes roster

 

[JackRydden224]

hoping GTO or P211 makes roster

The GTO is out but the P211 GT4 and GT5 are coming this month.

I think the GT5 will be the popular porting option

 

[Hindsight]

hoping GTO or P211 makes roster

the GTO will not make the roster in its current configuration as it's been supposedly deemed an AW by CADOJ. It was already rejected a while ago from obtaining roster approval after it was submitted by Sig.

 

[Gawernator]

hoping GTO or P211 makes roster

It's already been basically confirmed, just waiting now

 

[Kneethaniel]

Appreciate all the dialogue on the post! I’ve watched all the videos, especially the Pewview one on the stainless 5” comp where he loves it.

Has anyone shot the comp vs non comp off roster? I’m torn between the coyote PVD 5 inch off looks alone and the stainless comp 5 inch for how it functions. Also the polymer vs aluminum grips. I know it comes down to completion vs range and follow up shots etc. also looks to be about a $500 difference between the two.

 

[Tornado Tactical]

Been waiting for this one to happen! I wanted a GTO but Cali said no. Lucky, they made the comp version so I'm looking forward to owning one! Stainless all the way!

 

[Hindsight]

Been waiting for this one to happen! I wanted a GTO but Cali said no. Lucky, they made the comp version so I'm looking forward to owning one! Stainless all the way!

important to note that a chunk port tends to be less effective for the same amount of surface area/space as a true threaded or integral comp. Traditional inline or lucky 7/lucky 3 porting would probably be more effective. Chunk ports do look cooler at least than traditional barrel porting.

 

[jag9953]

I can't speak to his other non-2011 stuff much, but for his 2011 content is is very much biased. It can be seen in the way his opinion shifts based on what the giveaway gun is, the whole giveaway/raffle thing being related to buying expensive items for a chance at the gun (usually the one being reviewed), etc. He's entertaining and can shoot, but he's definitely become more of a shill over time. I've been watching since become he blew up and before covid and he's changed for the worse. But, that's also guntube in general I guess.

How has he changed since Covid?

 

[Tornado Tactical]

important to note that a chunk port tends to be less effective for the same amount of surface area/space as a true threaded or integral comp. Traditional inline or lucky 7/lucky 3 porting would probably be more effective. Chunk ports do look cooler at least than traditional barrel porting.

what you trying to say, port is better? this would be a range toy and when i get it, feel free to come to the range and shoot it with me. route 66 has some long bays so if you port yours we can do a true test!

 

[RustVendor]

Those other options are not the same price. They cost $200 more.

vs 1200 more for a 2k11. We don't even know why the 10mm is 200 dollars more, it may be for other reasons than the frame. A whole frame doesn't cost Kimber 200 dollars to make, you can buy frames outside of Ca for ~350 dollars total. And there's no significant difference in pricing between aluminum and steel frames when buying 2011 frames.

 

[RustVendor]

If they work i had prodigy mags too its just a bulk mag for us having to run 10 rounds. Over all are people runing the affordable mags over altas mags?

if you want 140mm mags for competition you spend 100 dollars anyway to put an extension and a spring/follower kit so atlas is the way to go. If you are running 10 round mags in a double stack then you wasted your money on a double stack

 

[Hindsight]

what you trying to say, port is better? this would be a range toy and when i get it, feel free to come to the range and shoot it with me. route 66 has some long bays so if you port yours we can do a true test!

I think that's both been my personal experience with similar offerings as well as what I've seen when people do testing such as Engineer's armory or Monsoon's ransom rest testing for the C4X against other similar, but ported stuff.

Ports generally siphon away more gas and that's also why you lose some more velocity versus comps, but that also means it tends to fight muzzle rise that much more.

A chunk port is effective, but I think for the amount of space it takes up you'd get equal or better results with more surface area and a larger amount of inline ports or traditional porting styles. That's why I wish the 2k11 comped models were either true integral comps or just ported.

 

[RustVendor]

They’re pretty much the peak of dollar to gun ratio. You get exactly what you pay for.

Here’s Uncle Ben with some practical 2011 reviews. No fluff.

Ben is hilarious because he's one of the best shooters in the world but he barely understands how guns work. In the second video he says he likes the Atlas because of the safety LOL. He judges the Staccatto by the trigger which could be quite easily tuned to be just as light as any of the others. I run an Atlas safety too they are great but my gun cost half as much as an Atlas. Atlas guns don't have higher performance per se than an equally specced i.e. barrel length, weight, etc, 2011 that costs 1/3 as much, they are just hand fit and finished to a level that the others aren't. Ironically Adam from Atlas has a video talking about tight fit guns and says he actually prefers them to be loose for reliability but makes them tight because that's what people want. They are great guns, not a great value though. You could theoretically put an atlas grip and safety on a prodigy and it would have 95% of the performance. You gotta love Ben though, as always his "reviews" end with "they're all pretty good just shoot what you like it doesn't matter".

 

[Hindsight]

Ben is hilarious because he's one of the best shooters in the world but he barely understands how guns work. In the second video he says he likes the Atlas because of the safety LOL. He judges the Staccatto by the trigger which could be quite easily tuned to be just as light as any of the others. I run an Atlas safety too they are great but my gun cost half as much as an Atlas. Atlas guns don't have higher performance per se than an equally specced i.e. barrel length, weight, etc, 2011 that costs 1/3 as much, they are just hand fit and finished to a level that the others aren't. Ironically Adam from Atlas has a video talking about tight fit guns and says he actually prefers them to be loose for reliability but makes them tight because that's what people want. They are great guns, not a great value though. You could theoretically put an atlas grip and safety on a prodigy and it would have 95% of the performance. You gotta love Ben though, as always his "reviews" end with "they're all pretty good just shoot what you like it doesn't matter".

That's kind of par for the course with Ben. He prefers to not go through the hassle of modifying stuff if he doesn't have to or unless someone else does the work for him. He doesn't even mount all of his optics and Joel does it half the time.

As for the Atlas stuff - that's not necessarily the case anymore. They're much more focused around being builders rather than smiths nowadays. They focus more on quality and precise CNCing followed by minimal hand fitting or adjustments as needed rather than too much time spent on hand fitting. The most they've spent on hand fitment in recent memory is the Hades and even those were only a dozen hours or less and those were limited edition runs of a up until that point unreleased/new model type.

 

[RustVendor]

That's kind of par for the course with Ben. He prefers to not go through the hassle of modifying stuff if he doesn't have to or unless someone else does the work for him. He doesn't even mount all of his optics and Joel does it half the time.

As for the Atlas stuff - that's not necessarily the case anymore. They're much more focused around being builders rather than smiths nowadays. They focus more on quality and precise CNCing followed by minimal hand fitting or adjustments as needed rather than too much time spent on hand fitting. The most they've spent on hand fitment in recent memory is the Hades and even those were only a dozen hours or less and those were limited edition runs of a up until that point unreleased/new model type.

Fair enough, since they make everything to their own spec in house they likely don't need to do nearly as much fitting as putting 10 brands together for a custom build.

 

[Hindsight]

Fair enough, since they make everything to their own spec in house they likely don't need to do nearly as much fitting as putting 10 brands together for a custom build.

Correct. They were more like gunsmiths even just 2-3 years ago, but in order to scale up and also spin off their parts business that supplies not only direct to consumers, but other 2011 brands ranging from the high end with rafferty and venom to RCD and plenty of others they needed to move a lot of stuff in house and under their control. So, they don't get some of their stuff from S. Korea or Optimum anymore and produce a lot more in house. This level of QC and just control over precision from the CNC has let them reduce how much work individual builders or smiths need to do. This has allowed them to pump up numbers overall while expanding.

 

[RustVendor]

Correct. They were more like gunsmiths even just 2-3 years ago, but in order to scale up and also spin off their parts business that supplies not only direct to consumers, but other 2011 brands ranging from the high end with rafferty and venom to RCD and plenty of others they needed to move a lot of stuff in house and under their control. So, they don't get some of their stuff from S. Korea or Optimum anymore and produce a lot more in house. This level of QC and just control over precision from the CNC has let them reduce how much work individual builders or smiths need to do. This has allowed them to pump up numbers overall while expanding.

so they should be lowering prices right? ...... right???

 

[Hindsight]

so they should be lowering prices right? ...... right???

Yah ... that's not how luxury brands normally work. It hurts their brand image and sales if they're perceived to be less desireable. The majority of Atlas' customer base are just hype beasts and hobbyists rather than competition shooters.

 

[No_glonks]

I was watching pewview review and he showed kimbers port, which isn’t common chunk port. The way he explained there is some machining involved and material removed to make it a little bit more like a comp. Rifling stops at the port and muzzle machined wider than barrel would normally be because of extra tick walls of bull barrel. Not sure if he trusted guntuber in 2011 community, but he said it works better than other simple chunk ports